Dragon Ball GT

Sewage

>it turned Cell and Freeza into worthless jokes
That's a good thing.

On a more serious note, GT remains mostly a great show. Sure the first arc is objectively one of the worst sagas in dragon ball history (worse than the SHITga BY FAR) with too many accounts of pedo bait, unfunny, untoriyama like "humor" and mostly boring fights incredibly wasted potential (Uub being pretty much instantly cast aside, Goten being replaced by Pan,etc). But the Baby saga itself for example is a irrefutable masterclass that rivals some of the greats such as the Black Goku saga or the Buu saga. Furthermore the Super 17 and shadow dragon sagas are pretty solid aswell, bringing us the most beautiful ending to the entire franchise with Goku's departure. Interestingly enough, despite also being "The Goku show", most of the side characters get some nice development that we simply don't see in Super :
>Trunks is now the CEO of capsule corp, living a happy life despite slacking on his training for obvious reasons.
>Goten unlike his superior brother lives life more as a normal young adult (and being a bit of a simp tho).
>Bejita after coming to terms with his own weakness in comparison to Kakarot, stopped over obsessing over such a petty rivalry and instead is more interesting in testing his strength for himself rather than for "GOKU GOKU GOKU" and instead fully viewing Kakarot as a friend.
And of course GT's undeniable strong suit being it's GOD tier music. Just listen to this : youtu.be/Fm3s47utJNo

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GT wasn't good, but Baby and Dragons are villains that fit DB world very well, it's just execution that mostly sucked. Super on the other hand has nothing, the only villain that was kinda interesting was Zamasu, but it was also the most messy, nonsensical arc, that ended in the worst possible way. God ki never mattered, the show relies on nostalgia left and right (Freeza overall, Piccolo sacrifices himself for Gohan like 3 times to the point where it becomes stale, recreating Vegeta scenes like Cell saga Final Flash or his Buu saga sacrifice for no other reason than nostalgia etc), it reintroduces Future Trunks but instead of grown man that he should be at this point he behaves like a stunted teenager, nu-Brolly is the same age as Goku which is around 40, but behaves like a little Tarzan boy too. Literally nothing works as it should because there is no goal, no plan, nothing connects into a greater narrative, and disconnect between anime and manga only makes it more confusing. Tournament of Power started with showing Goku like he has a bit of dark side, a menace, or have Freeza being all like "the time of gods is over". Dayum, what will that lead into? Nothing, fucking nothing, because there was no plan to any of that. Fuck Super, might actually be worse than GT.

Why shouldn't they be jokes at this point? They've been dead for 22 years (Frieza it's 25). But I would agree it's a shame they didn't use Cell more productively in the Super 17 arc when he obviously could of been even if in the end I respect their choice of trying something new with a overlooked Android like 17.

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Trunks seems alright to me. Being honorable and intelligent he'd obviously want to continue the family business of Capsule Corp (which is why he's it's CEO in GT). And so obviously it also explains why he didn't train much for these 5 years . As for Goten you can argue the same thing + the fact that his dad isn't training him which explains why Goten is in a similar case to Trunks despite having much more free time.

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>Dragon Ball GT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

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Goten just want to fuck bitches and Trunks wants to be a pencil pusher. Who's the real winner in the Saiyan birthrate

DBS is basically bad ideas implemented poorly.

GT's ideas were all old DB ideas that were discarded for being terrible.

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I liked that because it's funny how they change as they grow up. Kid Trunks was that rich, smug little shit, but in GT he mellows down, getting closer in personality to Future Trunks. Kid Goten was a good little boy from the countryside, in GT he is fully accustomed to city life, and wants to fuck bitches. It's an interesting switcheroo, especially in case of Goten and how every next saiyan in that family is less and less fight-autistic, and more used to normal Earth life.

It would have had more structure. Toriyama gave each character an arc, but GT didn't.
There is no character progress, only story progress and that lack of depth is one of its biggest flaws.
If GT REALLY wanted to return to Dragon Ball's roots (which it tried) then the villains should have been redeemed at the end, just like Yamcha, Tien,Chiaotzu, Piccolo, Vegeta, the Androids and Buu.
Toriyama would have written GT so that Goku would have had an inner struggle in which he tries to maximize is potential in his child state and perhaps even reach a new form.
GT refused to do anything akin and instead opted to hand Goku a new form for which he did ZERO effort (unlike any of his previous forms).
The form makes sense lorewise, but it's still so lazy and even lazier is that Vegeta ached SS4 via a machine that mimics the moon but somehow nobody ever went SS4 form the actual moon itself.
And keep in mind that artificial moons have been a thing ever since the Saiyan arc with Vegeta's pod generating an artificial moon to trigger his Oozaru form.

The story itself is silly to ridiculous for the most part with some parts/ideas directly stolen from OG DB, but it shines in the Baby and Shadow Dragon arcs.
These arcs are also the most loved arcs in GT and it's obviously because they feel more like Z.

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