Despite their best efforts the heroes end up losing the war and the villains get what they want

>despite their best efforts the heroes end up losing the war and the villains get what they want

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Gundam sneed

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>It's a "bad" story because the good guys don't win and some of the characters aren't likeable.

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Basicly.
If SEED Destiny ended with Durandal getting what he wanted people would consider it 10/10 kino

"Oh, no! We couldn't blow up an entire country and kill thousands of people in our quest to literally micro-manage the world by forcing genetic manipulation!'.

These fucking retards....

>there isn't even an epilogue or denouement and the series just ends on the villains perfect victory

>despite their best efforts the villains end up losing the war and the heroes get what they want
Yes, Orphans is better than SEED

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Wait for the movie

No. IBO is a story where everyone is a villain.
It's also dogshit.

What kind of mental illness does a person have if they think Shin is the hero?

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>IBO is a story where everyone is a villain.
Yes, but only one side is on the wrong side of history.
>It's also dogshit.
Sure, but so is SEED.

Shinn is just an exceptional pilot without a higher agenda.

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>you have to eat all the space eggs

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Shinn was a misguided soul and even with all the flaws the show makes it clear that his side was doing wrong things.
IBO is a better example of the villains winning and getting away with it. It's also worse than Destiny.

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>IBO is a story where everyone is a villain.
Wrong and kill yourself

Based. okada and nagai shills on suicide watch

the only good thing about IBO is the gay shota doujins that it spawned

Yeah, can you not understand media?

If Shin had a girl's name then everything would be different. Also he's pretty much proof of what would happen to Kamille if Kamille got Scirocco'd instead of Quattro'd.

Kira killed Stella in cold blood so he is definitely the villain here

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I hope the movie redeems Shin, he deserved better

Hey did you know I have a brother he was enslaved just like me years ago
NEXT WEEK: My brother showed up and he's a bad guy now :(
Hey, our lives don't have value. They will vanish in an instant before we know it.
NEXT WEEK: Look at these fireworks they vanish in a bright flash just like our lives


Now this is good stuff. Way better than SEED. Wowwie, they guys head got knocked off therefore it's good because violence = depth.

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Kira should have stayed dead with the ultimate lesson being that you can't fight a war without killing people. Kira just joined every fight and - most of the time - successfully disarmed everyone with kills only happen accidentally or because he wanted to avoid bigger bloodshet. But that's not how war is.
Kira should have paid the price for his delusions and Shinn should have been the one stopping Durandal at the end. All of Shinns development got thrown out of the window to make Kira the hero again for no reason.

>Olga is like the third most popular Gundam ever
>all because Japan considers his death a peak meme

Good on Japan for proving the 'Japan has shit taste' meme wrong once and for all.

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