Who was in the wrong here?

>He wasn't at the top
huh

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Beneky was at the top, he had all Walt’s money and was fucking skylar and flynn

>collapsing operation
>partners moving on
>the other guy was the one really running things
>Lydia was the one running the overseas operation
Walter lacked actual power. He was a figurehead at best. One they only really needed for his meth.

walt was in the wrong. Its not even debatable. Walt made an agreement with Gus and then betrayed him. If you didnt catch that then you need to rewatch the entire show

both were wrong. Mike deluded himself into thinking he was somehow on the side of a "classy" drug kingpin even though Gus was just as ruthless and disgusting as any other. Waltuh wasn't happy being a cook raking in the money, he had to be the one in charge.

SOLID

It was Walt’s to make the agreement null and void. It was a Faustian bargain

Ironically, he didn't tell him to save Jesse's ass who then gets depressed and acts like a prissy faggot and sided with Gus who was clearly manipulating him and lying to Walt about meeting him.

Walt peaked in a montage in the middle of the season. That’s it. When he was working with Todd after killing the inmates, and even then it was Lydia handling the business, not Walt. His “drug empire” was barely an empire

I'm in the middle of season 4 and quite frankly I'm getting bored. Is it worth it to finish?

What the fuck is mikes problem? You expect me to believe he didn't know walt was going to be killed and replaced?

finish season 4 then stop

Ok

I'd argue Walter's absolute peak as a criminal when they were running things themselves. And they fucking sucked at it.

You're already well past the best part o fthe show. Just drop it here and get on to the good stuff: Better call saul.

only because he had to save jesse's life

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He likely backed that decision. Mike is great at reading people. He saw Walt was full of shit from the start and not worth getting involved with.

ok but the entire story arc of walt is about him wanting to make up for missing out on his science partners success and ending up as a school teacher having to work a second job. Thats why at the end he admits to his wife he wasnt doing it for his family he was doing it for himself. Thats why Walt went against gus, his ego couldnt handle just being the cog in someone elses business empire like back in his science days when he walked out in rage after his friend fucked the girl he liked. It was all just his ego not letting him be content with sticking to his agreement and wanting to be the big boss of everything himself.

Mike. This all started because his boss was a psychopath that uses 11 year old boys as hitmen. Then after brokering peace with Jesse tried to manipulate Jesse by ordering the murder of said boy. Knowing this would cause Jesse to get himself killed by attacking the dealers.

Walt ran over the dealers, ruining Gus plan. Then, when Gus and Walter made peace, he started maneuvering to kill both walt and jesse DESPITE the fact they agreed to just go back to business. Gus is pretty much 90% to blame for what happened between them. Its just that by the time Mike has his little speech we have just spent most of season 5 watching Walt be arrogant and larping as Gus that we instinctively agree with what Mike is saying. But its all bs.

And before anyone starts, if you think Gus wasn't aware of kids being used by his street level dealers or that they killed the kid without first getting the Ok from Gus you're retarded.

Saving Jesse's life would've just been driving between them, picking him up, and going away. He didn't have to kill the dealers. Man knew or didn't think. Either way, he proved he was a liability to Gus.

Will do

You’re forgetting that everything was going fine with Gus until Jesse the schizo retard decided he wanted to kill 2 dealers, and then Gus the sadist ruined it even further by killing the kid instead of letting the whole episode fizzle out. He wanted to replace Walt with Gale from the beginning anyways since he was dying from cancer and hated Jesse. So really, all parties fucked up. There was no scenario where working for Gus would’ve ran like clockwork.

> This all started because his boss was a psychopath that uses 11 year old boys as hitmen
didnt happen. it was one of Gusses minions that did it on his own.
>Then after brokering peace with Jesse tried to manipulate Jesse by ordering the murder of said boy.
again didnt happen. Gus even said he would have dealt with the guy doing that.
>Walt ran over the dealers, ruining Gus plan.
It wasnt "ruining Guses" plan it was disrespectful to Gus and disobeying his order to let that one guy live.

The whole situation was obviously a set up to get Jesse killed, and Walt had just arrived in the Nick of time. The dealers were going to kill Jesse no matter what that night and if some random car drove up to block Jesses path in the hope Jesse would climb in they would've started blasting at Walt and Jesse. Guns were drawn and Walt arrived in the last second, killing the dealers was pretty much the only way to save Jesse at that point.

Honestly Mike is.

This all only happened because Gus sperged out over Walt killing two random child murdering drug dealers. The rest was just self-defense. Even if you argue that still puts the blame on fault for killing those guys, really it's Jesse's fault, since Walt only did it to save him, and Mike doesn't seem to put any blame on Jesse.

So whatever way you slice it Mikes is being retarded here.

If Gus wanted Jesse killed, he would've just made it look like an OD.

Walt fans are mentally unwell

The real question is how did the dealers not hear Walt’s car coming? Aint like the nigga was driving a Tesla.

You are wrong. Gus ordered the kid to be killed. It’s probably the most contrived thing to happen in the show anyways, along with Jesse wanting to kill the dealers in the first place. They needed conflict in season 3 so they pulled it out of their ass.

Mike was in the wrong. He knew his plot armor had expired and chose to antagonize Walt anyways.

it was never explained why the fuck Gus had such an affinity for those two random drug dealers anyway. was he fucking them?

Gus implies after the fact that he did not. You are just making assumptions. It wasnt contrived at all you just misunderstand what was going on.

If you think Gus's minions do anything without his Ok you're retarded. Gus obiously ok'd the hit on that kid. If that wasn't obvious by Walts "I would never ask you that." response you might ve autistic. Gus obviously baited Jesse into attacking the dealers by having the kid murdered. Gus is an egomaniac like Walt. When Walt ruined that plan and proved he wouldnt obey Gus blindly he was done with both of them.

I guess because he saw it as Walt disrespecting him? Still it was retarded and doesn't seem like Gus would be so angered by these two randos when cooperating with Walt is invaluable to him. Kind of forced drama honestly.