What made the first two movies so good and the rest crap?
What made the first two movies so good and the rest crap?
William Jones
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Grayson Myers
according to the documentary during the first couple films people would rip apart some of his shittier ideas, starting with Phantom Menace after the long hiatus he was surrounded by yes men, thought jar jar was going to be huge, and had little to no action during episode 1's runtime
Henry Cook
Gary Kurtz
Michael Campbell
Many things:
-Hero worship resulted in no one questioning the creator's ideas
-Blind adherence to Joseph Campbell
-Difficulties with physical production during the original trilogy led to an over-reliance on CGI
-Characters created with marketing a toy first and providing to the plot second
-Disney overreacting to fan criticisms of the prequels, resulting in a relatively safe Episode 7 with a plot very similar to Episode 4
-Disney overreacting to THOSE criticisms led to total freedom given to the director on Episode 8
-Disney overreacting to THOSE criticisms led to a film essentially directed by a committee for Episode 9
-Mandalorian's pretty good.
-Need for a Disney+ series leads to reworking an Obi-Wan movie script into an overly-long Obi-Wan series
-Disney shrugging their shoulders, greenlighting a dozen different projects at once and hoping one is good.
Jaxson Cox
A new Hope:
>Excellent settings, models, effects, story, casting, script, editing, etc. used future, world felt lived in, very unique take on the genre. Ground-breaking special effects.
Empire Strikes Back
>Deeper lore, philosophy, character development, etc.
>Introduce new characters, locations, settings, etc. Expand the world.
>More weight in the ending, don’t need a huge super weapon to defeat
Return of the Jedi:
SUCKED BECAUSE:
>Made the universe SMALLER by going back to Tattoine. Jabba should’ve fucking lived on a different, NEW, planet
>Characters don’t evolve. Han Solo has nothing to do.
>Death Star AGAIN. They should’ve took the time to invent something NEW.
>Ending Space Battle was an upgrade, but it wasn’t at the service of anything new/cool.
>Should’ve ended the Empire, and the last 3rd of the film should’ve been the reconstruction of a “free galaxy” without a huge authoritarian regime in charge. No “Republic” or Jedi Council either, just a free galaxy. Then something along the lines of “We may be free, but what about all the other galaxies out there. What of them?” Pan to the sky, roll credits, leaving the series open for many more adventures set in DIFFERENT galaxies.
That’s why RotJ is so looked down upon, and I didn’t even have to mention the toyetic Ewoks.
Evan Fisher
ROTJ has and amazing opening act and third act. It's just the middle that drags.
Blake Howard
Is there some kind of archive for fanzines written prior to RotJ? I feel fanfiction written back then may have been more inventive, being free from the restrictions of a more fleshed out setting. I want to see how fans imagined the SW universe with only ANH and ESB to draw on.
Carson Cox
My ranking, from best to worst, is:
1:5
2:4
3:3
4:6
5:8
6:7
7:1
8:2
9:9
Looking back, Rise of Skywalker really brought the fanbase together: nobody liked it.
Isaiah Foster
>from best to worst
what
Brayden Young
Remove the sequels and that's a pretty good ranking. Also, while I consider 3 only enjoyable, its novelization is easily one of the best things produced by this franchise.
Jack Allen
RotJ just felt like an obligation to complete the trilogy. The good guys always win and everyone is happy.
Han had already completed his arc (became a selfless hero who sacrificed himself for his friends) so he had nothing to do. A similar thing can apply to Leia who had already fallen in love with the person who originally seemed like a polar opposite. The stuff between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor were the only things that were actually worthwhile.
The prequels are another story, the over reliance on CG tried to distract from the bad writing. Not to mention that the direction made the characters speak and behave like robots.
The sequels were cash grabs, plain and simple. It surprised me that Disney didn't have one creative voice that guided their trilogy.
Colton Lewis
You're right, the prequels had interesting ideas but lousy execution. The sequels were soulless and directionless.
I know not everyone likes it (and some hate it), but I think 8 is the best of the sequels. 7 was just 4 again and 9 is the closest we'll ever get to a bot writing a Star Wars story. 8 made a bunch of mistakes all over the place, but at least it was something new.
Nathan Watson
Maybe check this out?
Seemed like since Empire was such a good movie, fans didn’t really create fan fiction. That changed when RotJ was a bit of a disappointment and fans decided to create their own stories: fanlore.org
And check out these books by more serious writers: youtini.com
Jacob Scott
Episodes 1-6 are all campy sci fi fun and I will keep enjoying them as the years go by
Juan Hughes
The magic of merchandising.
Charles Baker
Sequels are worse than cashgrabs. They are designed to destroy the originals and the original fandom.
Tyler Foster
>7:1 8:2 3:1
you should kill yourself
Andrew Campbell
Yeah, Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are indeed peak Star Wars.
Levi Stewart
First misstep was George Lucas deciding the series was strictly for children which led to a strange tone shift between ESB and ROTJ, and eventually the mistakes that would plague TPM. He was surrounded by yes-men who talked him up for decades and made him start believing his own bullshit, this meant when the prequels were criticized for the same shit as ROTJ he was deluded enough to believe everyone else was wrong. This made him very salty instead of humbling him. You get your serious Anakin downfall story, but it was brutally rushed especially towards the end. A lot of shit gets glossed over, a lot more just plain doesn't make sense. Everything after Disney takes over is a storm of its own.
Adam Lee
>thinking you know more about Star Wars than George fucking Lucas
lmao
Dylan Diaz
capitalism
Jose Thomas
>-Disney overreacting to THOSE criticisms led to total freedom given to the director on Episode 8
Episode 8 didn't have much time to adjust to Episode 7's criticisms. With the exception of maybe a few adjustments in editing, Rian was given a lot of creative control, with KK thinking he'd really shake things up like Kirshner did.
Rian's "big ideas" all boiled down to "What if the men finally listened to WOMEN!?" and him thinking that Rey finding out she was a nobody was a big reveal that would propel her character into Ep 9.
Ep 9, however, had its release date pushed (it was originally supposed to be May 24, 2019) and THAT was where the frankenstein readjustments all happened. The director was fired, etc. we all know the deal there.
But Ep 8? Turned out exactly as KK and RJ intended. They just thought they'd be heralded as geniuses in the post-Hillary as President world. They were wrong and up their own asses.