>ally with Hitler
>try to attack France
>doesn't work, can't get through french defence
>try to attack Greece
>can't defeat Greece
>lose Africa
>change team
what was their problem?
Ally with Hitler
William Harris
Austin Ward
Shitaly is too corrupt for proper war logistics. The Sicilian Mafia literally ended the war by themselves. Shitaly will always be a shithole
Jason Campbell
We need money!
Lincoln Morales
Mussolini should have never allied with shitler
John Long
>Shitaly is too corrupt for proper war logistics
threadly reminder
Brody Roberts
oh another wikipedia battle results
Dominic Ramirez
Italy be like
>let's start the 58th battle of Isonzo, this time we will absolutely win
Brody Robinson
Mussolini and foreign minister Galeazzo Ciano got outplayed by Hitler and von Ribbentrop when the Pact of Steel with Germany was signed. Article III contained a casus foederis clause which essentially made it an offensive alliance. After bleeding in Ethiopia and Spain, Italy wasn't ready for war and it wouldn't have been for years. Mussolini tried to obtain a "period of preparation" with a memorandum where he explained under which conditions Italy would join the war, setting the beginning for WWII after 1942. Therefore when World War II began in 1939, Italy wasn't even remotely ready, and initially declared itself a "non-belligerent" ally of Germany (which doesn't really mean anything) despite the Pact of Steel being an offensive alliance; Mussolini only decided to join the war when he thought Germany had won.
Unlike in Germany, where the NSDAP took control of all institutions, the PNF (National Fascist Party) never managed to take control of the position of the Head of State, or the King. Therefore the Monarchy, which had still plenty of influence over the armed forces, was able to negotiate with the Allies, overthrow Mussolini and outlaw the fascist party. The "change of teams" in WWI was also a decision of the same Monarch, Victor Emmanuel III.
Ryder Fisher
>doesn’t work
?
Lucas Brown
>tfw you will never live in the timeline when Mussolini denounced the Anschluss and joined the Allies
Liam Thompson
Poland be like
>let's exist and be partitioned by all our neighbors
Lucas Allen
>world wars won by germany: 0
>world wars won by italy: 2
simple as
Colton White
I would argue that it's more like 1,5
Carter Ortiz
>japan makes the US enter the war
>Germany makes the Soviet Union enter the war
>Italy was the problem
coping tactic used by incel chuds in order to hide the fact that their german and japanese heroes were actually retards
Logan Barnes
Kinda wierd to think Mussolini could have been celebrated as a hero like the other big three had he stuck to the allies even if they shortchanged italy after ww1
>Inb4 ethiopia
nobody fucking cared about africa britain and france opressed them too no problem
Carter Young
still 1.5 more than Germany
if Mussolini didn’t ally with Hitler, Italy would’ve been annexed by Germany on day 1
Alexander Diaz
>Mussolini only decided to join the war when he thought Germany had won.
I should add that Mussolini's thought process is very evident in a famous quote uttered by himself a few weeks before Italy joined the war in 1940, which goes: "I only need a few thousand dead [Italian soldiers] so that I can sit at the peace conference as a winner who has fought."
Essentially, at that point the Italian government was convinced the preparation period was no longer necessary because Germany had already won by blitzkrieging Poland and France. Which was, of course, a miscalculation.
Josiah Gonzalez
Cooper Murphy
The african front would not have existed so youd have all focus on just beating germany and he would not have had a single ally. Except your right that faggot neville chamberlain would have fucked it up again somehow.
Jayden Bell
Italian independence was doomed from the start due to lack of resources and the industrial resources of other countries.
Jacob Sanchez
how would they pass through the alps without sufferinge extreme casualties?
Justin Young
italians are funny memers.
also most of those things you said "didn't work" were successful. They just had to give them back at the end of the war
Ian Torres
He wasn't ready
He said so himself before the war
Jaxson Garcia
Germany’s forces were mostly in Poland at the beginning. France didn’t seize the opportunity in our timeline, but with Italy the two of them could’ve been braver
Nathan Ortiz
But Germany wasn't either btw
It was impossible for the Axis to win, unless the soviets had decided to join or something
Ryder Bailey
>Update
How much oil did Italy have before starting the war?
Probably enough for like 2 weeks of sustaining the transportation and energy in the country and barely enough to sustain military operations.