The chosen one narrative ruined the franchise

It is the reason why Star Wars can never be an endless franchise like Marvel or Warhammer 40K. 40K and Marvel can make spinoffs and stories in any time period about literally any character and make them seem important in the universe but the same is not true for Star Wars because it all revolves around Anakin Skywalker. Any moment post or prior to his lifetime seems like filler given that he's the chosen one destined to end the light vs dark side conflict that is at the heart of the franchise to begin with.

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Didn't the movies subvert that narrative tho

Kys yourself you insatiable coomsoomer marveldronetard.

You referring to the sequels? I think Rian tried to do that given Luke's speech about vanity and the way he talks about "the mighty skywalker bloodline" and rey being no one until that was retconned by JJ

Looking back on it, it was unironically Rian who was trying to save the franchise. It's really the fault of Lucas for pigeonholing the entire franchise to revolve around Anakin

Idk about the new movies but how is killing a bunch of people bringing balance to the force, or whatever the fuck the chosen one was supposed to do.
So True!

So either then the whole prophecy was fault or Lucas' writing made the completion of the prophecy seem underwhelming. Either way really the fault is on Lucas

Making any more SW films after the OT was already dead and buried ruined the franchise

literally why not? it's like saying that you can only have 40k stories about the Emperor.

The difference being that Anakin is prophesized to end the conflict that is at the heart of star wars while for most of 40k lore the emperor is basically window dressing

Rian may have "tried" to save the franchise the same way one "tries" to put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.
He had some ok ideas that might have been interesting but he went with the first draft so everything that happens in the movie is complete nonsense which is bad on its own, add to that his ideas of making heroes of old look like hobo hermits and its doomed to fail.

People don't like seeing their favorite characters get shat on, if you want to do it you have to put in a lot more effort than you would for your random everyday chosen one wish fulfillment fantasy. But he didn't have the time, patience and skill to actually do the story well, instead he wrote OOC fanfiction where everyone is different just because the author needed them to be different so he could tell his own story with previously established characters.

Ideas are neat but they are nothing without execution and the balding fuck guaranteed that we get only get garbage from here on out by poisoning the well so hard

yeah, so he brought balance by destroying the old Jedi and Sith. and how does prevent anyone from telling any other story set before of after that, or even during?
I really don't understand your point.

>he's the chosen one destined to end the light vs dark side conflict that is at the heart of the franchise to begin with.
But that's clearly shown to be an untrue prophecy, seeing as he didn't end the conflict at all.

yeah I can see why people think Rian is shit but most of star wars is shit anyways.

the idea of returning to the the OT era idea of the force where even randoms can use it instead of the privilege being relegated to a few hereditary dynasties of force users. And honestly it's better with the force acting as an aspect reality hidden from most but that effectively anyone can tap into provided they are erudite or fully "let go" much like real world religions.

If only they showed this with someone other than rey and honestly rey being overpowered isn't Rian's fault, it's because they wanted TFA to be a fast paced action people pleaser movie and couldn't have any down time where she tries and fails

So he destroys the sith, only for people who are effectively the same as the sith but under a different name to appear only a couple of years later. Can't you see how this makes star wars seem hollow?

The Chosen One stuff was always incoherent nonsense. I understand what Lucas was trying to do, but it doesn't work.

>So he destroys the sith, only for people who are effectively the same as the sith but under a different name to appear only a couple of years later
says who, JewJew Abrams? Disney being retarded is not the fault of the chosen one narrative.
also prophecy is really vague. I always interpreted it as Anakin destroying the two dogmatic orders who thought they owned the force, allowing for an explosion of different philosophies.

In the old EU they still had dark jedi and sith after anakin's death. This problem didn't start because of disney.

The problem really is star wars being a hollow franchise at it's core. Unlike other fantasy franchises, Star Wars has a soft magic system which made sense at the time of the OT but no longer makes sense given that star wars is trying to be this deep universe like 40k or lotr or marvel.

There is only so many ways you can do laser sword fights and telekinetically pushing each other. Star Wars has really only one iconic weapon and lacks the depth of magic systems that even most shonen anime have

Kotor 2 had the most interesting take on the force and that came out in 2004, there are good ideas to be mined from the series but we are in the perfect storm of garbage outside factors

Rian tried to make something subversive but didn't pull it off so Disney panics and will only make "safe" content, ie pandering to nostalgia
Disney doesn't care about anything, the company is too big so its essencially ran by bots not humans since everything goes through so many board room meetings and shit before its approved. Since the parent company doesn't care about "art" that means they will pander and pander.
What they consider pandering these days is stronk female characters, cameos and scenes lifted from other movies. So we get Obi-Wan (nostalgia baiting) where the main character is Leia (nostalgia and progressive, double points) where some random black woman tries to have a redemption arc, but since the only thing writers care about is what is happening on the screen as opposed to why its happening we end up with a show where 2 adults chase a 7 year old but somehow fail to catch her because we need a 2 minute escape sequance.

What gets you a job as a writer for theses shows and movies is your ability to play the political game of Hollywood and the public, and right now the winning formula is to use nostalgia and play lipservice to woke culture. There is no motive to write good and interesting things so we will not get good and interesting shows/movies.

Only time will tell if the average consoomer will get tired of this constsnt baiting or if they stop and think about what is actually on the screen, but until ratings, views and reviews change we will never get anything good from mainstream star wars because its so much safer for Disney to just pander

>What gets you a job as a writer for theses shows and movies is your ability to play the political game of Hollywood
yeah, seems that way.

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>it all revolves around Anakin Skywalker
Chosen one prophecies are allegorical. They happen over and over again.
>It's really the fault of Lucas for pigeonholing the entire franchise to revolve around Anakin
Lucas isn’t good at writing but he’s the only one of the three you mentioned that has made anything worth watching.

I'm judging them by their potential. Rian has the potential to make a great star wars standalone film. Everything great about Lucas' films were in spite of him not because of him. The greatest star wars film was the one he had the least input in, I doubt he he even come with the "i am your father" twist

Star Wars was trundling along quite well in many different eras before Disney came in and murdered it. Many of the stories were awful but there are many stories in the universe other than Anakin’s

Why doesn't anybody kill these retards like we used to do with hippies?
>inb4 we never killed hippies.

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Judgida things by their potential is worthless.
I'll take a well made stake by someone with no potential to make a better stake over a literal turd made by someone who might one day maybe make a better stake if he tries really hard but just couldn't be arsed with the one he gave me now