How would the world change if Russia actually managed to conquer Constantinople? Also fuck the Anglos

How would the world change if Russia actually managed to conquer Constantinople? Also fuck the Anglos

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take it to

They are retards and just Any Forums rejects. Unironically you have better history discussions here.

Inly in /his/ you get vomit inducing posts like >

the way OP worded it this thread is about Russia conquering Constantinople (Istanbul) in the future
>Muslim seething at polytheism
colour me surprised

Not much. Maybe it prevents Britain from taking the entente's side. But I doubt it.

Turks would yoink it back when the commies sperg out. Everything would be the same as before.

As long as the West pose itself as Russia's enemy, they will never go to war with Turkey. NATO wanted Turkey to be their cannon fodder. Erdogan knows this very well and that's why he's warming up to Putin.

Doubt. If Russia took Constantinople, then Greece or Russia would own Smyrna too. Without this you lose your wealthiest and most industrialized parts. It would be very easy for Russia to annex all of anatolia. If you rebelled during the civil war, entente troops could easily subdue it as you would have no guns.

Oh no what will we do without all our wealthiest and most industrialized parts

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Lol I knew this was coming. That map was never a real thing. Those countries never held all territory here, especially Italy.

You had a country that was still larger than Greece here. As well as a decent amount of leftover equipment and veterans of the war. And Soviet aid. That is a LOT different than starting a revolution from scratch.

Ataturk could organize a 100k+ army in central anatolia. Good luck doing that while under occupation and with no way to get guns for your army. It just won't happen.

>cannon fodder
maybe; I think it's more its key geographic location. NATO members are required to help if Turkey were attacked, and there are already troops stationed in Turkey.

There was no chance to fully conquer it it before Catholics pillaged it, and there was no need after they pillaged it and gave it away to churkas.

There is a popular belief, that in early 20th century there were plans to take it over. There were the plans, but those were military plans. Military makes all plans in andvance, because when order would be given it would be too late to plan and there would be a lot of things done poorly and unreliably.

The real plan was to instigate armenian (basically just christian turks) ape-outs all over Ottoman empire, while protecting their rights as Christians from the outside.
This way provide platform to influence Ottoman internal politics.
First use Ottoman military forces to kick greeks, bolgars and other regional niggers in the nuts so they would start loving Russian Empire very much, fund Russian military bases, celebrate everything Russian like it is god sent, etc.
Then transform Ottomania into half-Christian half-Muslim state and trough this transform Islam in the world. Show Turkey as example of Islam, where two religions are existing peacefully and prospering, instead of ISISing and living in poverty and indignity.

In case of a full legal takeover, greeks would just bitch and demand the City for themselves, which would make them the ultimate winners of the war and religious authority over Russian Empire.
All the others would bitch and suck up to some wectern powers against Russians.
Catholics would have to return what they pillaged in the city, making them an very unfriendly faction.

So to mitigate greek demands for gibs, the temple would likely stay under Turk authority and they would annually sign the lease to use it for Russian Orthodox Patriarchy. And if anyone would want to use it, they would have to conquer the city themselves, or ask Russians nicely.
So it's obvious, that Russian Empire would prop up ottoman military power, not crush it.

The ottoman army was disarmed by the allies after WW1 though. You´re right about the Soviet help.

Yeah also their free use of turkish lands and sea bases. I'm sure that's gonna be the extent of their involvement, Turkey will also benefit from a destroyed Russia anyway.

>NATO members are required to help if Turkey were attacked
Only Poland is.

By Russians during the WW1 though.

>>In case of a full legal takeover, greeks would just bitch and demand the City for themselves, which would make them the ultimate winners of the war and religious authority over Russian Empire.
Yeah, that's why my projection, is it ending as a Greek puppet state of Russia.

>OHHH LE EPIC CONSTANTINOPLE RECONQUEST OHHHHHH
>W-WHAT IF LE ZASED 3RD ROME TOOK CONSTANTINOPLE
>WOULD SABATON HAVE MADE A COOL SONG ABOUT IT ???

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Yeah this is true. This board is now better for discussion of any topic than the specific board of that topic.

Why all the effort with the ottomans? Just give it Greece in return for them becoming your puppet. You can even demand religious authority and all that. The ottomans could potentially modernise and kick you out when you're weak. Greece is too small for such things.

Ethnic nationalists is turkey will hate you no matter what. They don't tend to cuck for foreigners like an imperial elite does.

there would be a lot more AIDS, drug use, commie blocks and depression