In my country most houses are built individually, which means if you want to have a house, you buy a project (design), buy a plot of land and start building - alone or with a construction company, depending if you have enough money. However, this results in infrastructural underdevelopment of new neighborhoods, because housing construction precedes infrastructure (roads, sewage system, gas pipes etc.). It is pretty common to live without a paved road or sewage pipe (you need to have your own septic tank) for years, even decades. Generally we also don't have a thing called "urban planning" or "zoning laws" so people build their houses wherever they want and only when many houses next to each other are already built, the city realizes that a new neighborhood appeared and maybe it needs some infrastructure.
Does it happen in your country? I never noticed anything like this in first world countries, they always seem to have all necessary infrastructure build before or along with housing construction. I guess that's because they don't build their houses on their own but real estate developers do it and they build infrastructure too.
>Does it happen in your country? Not like that, usually cities have neighborhoods zoned where they sell land and you can build house there, comes with infrastructure with it you can connect. Even if you buy land in more rural areas, infrastructure is gettin build around it, just gonna cost extra.
Owen Rodriguez
I knew you'd be the first to post here, thanks
i wish we had actual urban planning here
Matthew Jackson
>i wish we had actual urban planning here It will come eventually, i bet its better than it was in post communist poland
Cooper Torres
its the same here only we have full infrastructure and no problems with it.
Dominic Peterson
Same and I prefer it this way, neighborhoods are way less monotonous.
Liam Walker
>i bet its better than it was in post communist poland
actually the other way round, in communism we had strict zoning laws, that's why communist neighborhoods are always well planned and have all necessary infrastructure
urban planning was basically abolished when communism collapsed because it was thought to be a means of communist oppression against capitalist freedoms and property rights
even still when introducing stricter zoning laws, ban on street advertisement etc is discussed, all the boomers always come up with >it's communism argument
Every city has their own site, heres for seinäjoki, you can see new neighborhoods that is zoned and buy a lot. Omakotitontit is for detached houses.
Alexander Rogers
on one hand I can understand why this is a problem, on the other too many zoning and housing laws creates disgustingly regulated and SOVLESS suburbs such as in the US
Michael Butler
it's the best system you absolute retard, people can at least design their own homes kill yourself u yank-worshipping mentally ill zoomer
Camden King
Houses are way too expensive unless you’re a refugee. Housing market is fucked, even those dogshit commie blocks now cost 500+€ per month.
Liam Rogers
here buying a lot looks that you look for a place you like on the map (usually it's a piece of farmland), look for the owner (usually some local farmer), negotiate the price, drink vodka together, pay the money and start building
Luis Cruz
>it's the best system you absolute retard, people can at least design their own homes
nothing good about it, then the neighborhoods look chaotic also it drives construction costs up because economies of scale doesn't work here
Parker Flores
also I hate this boomer mentality that you're a man only if you built your house on your own, the less specialists you ask for help the better person you are in their eyes (and it doesn't mean that you could actually fuck up a lot of things in your house because you don't have enough knowledge, these boomers also live in fucked up houses but they are still proud they built them alone)
if you bought a house from a real estate developer you're a sissy boi to them and then they will start complaining how the youth today is spoiled and how forced conscription should be brought back to teach them real life and useful skills
William Richardson
If you buy land from area that is zoned for single family homes, you can also expect that it will stay like that. Buying random land in somewhere has always risk to get something unwanted next to you.
Jace Anderson
here you dont get a building permit without having approved plans for water, sewage, power and roads. also none would buildt or buy a house without such so it kinda regulates itself. my parents did this, parted out a piece of our forest and made 25 plots. a local building company fronted the cost of all the planning and infrastructure based on the deal that eventual buyers had to use their service or buy their houses. water, sewage and electricity was laid out to all 25 plots while they buildt the road network between them, its simply cost effective to do it this way. there is no urban planning or other gay shit just people having a desire to do things properly and thats where you fail.
Connor Hall
>Buying random land in somewhere has always risk to get something unwanted next to you.
yes, it's a common thing here that they build blocks of flats in an individual housing area. There is nothing you can do about it because well, those individual houses also were built without regulations.
actually a lot of mayors here have this mentality that zoning laws are only an obstacle for economic growth and the less of them the better for the city. Especially in southern Poland, peaking in Zakopane where they even have a saying that "the building code didn't catch on here".
Landon Edwards
>Does it happen in your country? I never noticed anything like this in first world countries, they always seem to have all necessary infrastructure build before or along with housing construction. there's necessary infrastructure here when new builds go up but it's already stretched thin and promises of investment into roads, schools, gps, dentists, etc, never materialises. pointing out that existing infrastructure can't cope is met with complaints about how regulation stifles development and drives up cost, as if crappy new builds weren't already prohibitively expensive
Connor Harris
average development site in this country be like
>yes it's a good idea to build a big block-of-flats neighborhood just behind a street with detached houses only with one narrow road to this neighborhood because why not? people will buy flats there anyway and the city doesn't give a fuck whether it's sustainable, there will be traffic jams or not, maybe in 30 years someone will buy another road (but by then the whole area will be already full of houses and the city will have to buy out 20 houses, pay full price + compensation for forced expropriation and only then buy the road - but who cares, definitely not the mayor who will be already dead in 30 years so it doesn't matter to him)
