Black and white morality is bad...

Black and white morality is bad, because by its very nature excludes the very concept of nuance and is just an extremely childish perception of a complex subject like human morality since it inherently limits you to only two extremes.
"Grey morality" doesn't exist, it's called fucking reality.
Sometimes your only choice is between two shitty options and you have to choose between sticking to your principles even if it makes life objectively worse for you and those around you or compromising your principles to avoid making things worse.

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sneed

Yeah its fantasy dumbass, are you retarded?

And yet good and evil still exist in the real world. Crazy how that works isn't it?

Keep posting this same thread every few weeks, feeding on your own seethe will in fact eventually fill the hole your dad tore in your anus

>who is Boromir

How do they "exist"? They're abstract concepts.

And fantasy can reflect the real world as well. It's what makes for good storytelling.

Its also cool to get these black and white stories too. The point is that even presented with morally unambigious stuff it can be hard to make the right choice, and show how the heroes do it. LOTR also shows how heroes falter due to fake grey morality (Boromir wanting the ring to help Gondor; Sam thinking about killing Gollum), and that there is a white side you should know to follow.

>t Kathleen Kennedy tier retard

>fantasy genre: escapist realities where anything is possible!
>lets make it as shitty as our reality
Boooooooring

shut up

Because real people are nuanced.

When you look at a goodie two-shoes or a mustache-twirling villain you're not looking at anything that resembles real people.

Real people have flaws, and it's by exploring those flaws we learn more about ourselves and others. This is why we find it interesting, that's why it's good story-telling.

Yet Tolkien explicitly said he hated allegories and that his works should not be compared to the real world.

sure it does. There is no grey area for pedophiles, rapists and murders. there is no grey area for criminals violently attacking innocents or destroying their property.

Because it's true...?

It doesn't relieve them of their crimes, but you'll not find anyone who's fully altruistic or malevolent.

High fantasy is pretty much defined by good vs evil. It sounds like low fantasy would be more to your liking

literally read any fiction pre 1990 of the last 2,000 years you daft faggot, riddled with good vs evil allegory and timeless fantasy that wasnt reality. Killing yourself would be a better story than the kike grey shit you're pushing on here

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LOTR had plenty of grey characters?

There is, it just doesn't change the reality of what they have done. A murderer who donates to charity is still a murderer, it doesn't mean he's pure evil, it doesn't even necessarily mean he's a bad person, but he has grievously wronged another, and justice must be done no matter how sympathetic he may be.

no they don't
the real world doesn't function in absolutes terms

My point is that in LOTR many characters are grayer too. Not Sauron, the orcs, Legolas or Gandalf. But what about Gollum, Boromir, Frodo

If you cared about real people you would watch the news, not television and film. Fantasy is escapism and doesn't have to be nuanced or morally grey or any other genre-subversion you can weasel in there. The simple morality of many fantasy films/stories is their entire appeal. Its idyllic, its innocent, its pure, non-perverse and beautiful. If you want """""""real"""""" fantasy characters rewatch that shitshow game of thrones.

>There is no grey area for pedophiles, rapists and murders
yes there is, it's called psychology. A person commits crimes not because its evil, because it's sick or his upbringings

Good is good and evil is evil, trying to muddy the water comes from unresolved guilt.

>Fantasy is escapism and doesn't have to be nuanced or morally grey or any other genre-subversion you can weasel in there. The simple morality of many fantasy films/stories is their entire appeal. Its idyllic, its innocent, its pure, non-perverse and beautiful.
It's time to grow up and stop being a creepy manchild.

If you're too much of a brainlet to ever actually use your brain and address a situation, sure.
Black and white mentality is the same as the classic Us vs Them and just a cope so you don't have to be responsible for your own actions or have to actually think about what you side with in a situation.

>Fantasy is escapism
Blatantly false. Fantasy used to be a tool that could explore various concepts and themes. It gave us all sorts of warnings for a dark future we could head into if we didn't heed its warnings. Escapism is a modern trend.

>Kike grey shit
Oh, you mean like Robin Hood?

>Black and white morality is bad, because by its very nature excludes the very concept of nuance and is just an extremely childish perception of a complex subject like human morality since it inherently limits you to only two extremes.

You are wrong. The stories are necessary. We will transcend the weakness of mankind with the grace of God

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People will still be reading the Lord of the Rings in 1000 years. It serves the original purpose of stories which is teaching higher concepts in the form of a human-driven narrative as our brains are geared towards understanding social relationships much more fluidly than "raw" logic. It's why Jesus taught lessons in parables as opposed to bulletpoint lists of preferable behaviors.

The "nuanced" approach you're looking for are just soap operas, which have nothing meaningful to say outside of the particular drama characters are engaged in, and is why 99.999% of fiction has a tiny shelf life even if it's technical writing is very good. It's why no one is going to be reading Stephen King or George RR Martin books in 100 years. They have nothing to actually say.

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>Being filtered by LotR

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These ARE layers. A character gives a superficial first impression of a flawed individual, then you learn their backstory and their reasons for being such a flawed individual, able to empathize with them and understand a little better just how complex the world really is. Of course, it doesn't work if your automatic response it so always be a cynical out-of-touch idealist ("I don't care what happens to people, they should always be able to pull themselves together and act in one single way I deem worthy").

>unironically asking what Aragorn's tax policy is

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What does LOTR have to say?

NOOOO NOT MY HECKIN ORCARINOS. CRIMINALS CAN BE GOOD PEOPLE YOU JUST NEED TO GIVE THEM INFINITE CHANCES AND LET THEM INFRINGE ON YOUR LIFE TO DO IT.