Why didn't they just stop at this point? Could've kept all of it and no war...

Peace wouldn’t have happened, even while we’d retreated at Dunkirk we were still fighting in Greece and North Africa
The government was fully convinced that either the German war machine would eventually collapse (their economy was extremely unsustainable compared to ours) or they’d make a silly mistake and draw the other major powers into the war, which they’d heard might happen over German telegrams

he should have sold east prussia and then taken tyrol and slovenia to get german confederation borders

Imagine if Hitler got the bomb first, hit Moscow, had the British capitulate as a result and we had a US Nazi cold war instead

>this is what jingoistic brits actually believe

You barely did shit in WW2 and would've surrendered eventually. Without Russia or USA the UK had no way of defeating Germany.

Because their economy was about to collapse. many people dont understand how fucked econominically Germany was just before the war. they had to start it or else they'd go bankrupt. also the whole national socialism thing

Because Hitler was a retarded economist, had he not started a war, German economy would've collapsed faster during peacetime which would've made the whole country collapse worse than during Weimar. Nazi Germany had a vampire economy. Germans already started having food shortages BEFORE the war and had 2 or 3 months of oil left when Barbarossa started, that's another reason why Germany never had a chance to win USSR after the 3rd month, I'm surprised they even got as far as they did. So they pillaged rest of Europe to keep the country going. Anybody saying otherwise than my post is wrong.

Hitler was criminally insane and hooked on meth and heroin

I see someone has read Adam Tooze.

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Germany would colapse under its own weight much sooner than Britain would lose its ability to wage war against them.

There was no way for Germany to invade Britain, therefore there was no way for Germany to win the war, and with every passing day Britain would get stronger from foreign support while Germany would start to buckle under the occupation effort and resource shortages. Time was on Britain's side.

He probably just watches TIK's videos on yt

Much of East Germany was still being occupied and by poles and they were comitting genocide on innocent Germans

You mean Any Forums lied to me and National Socialism wasn't a hekkin economic miracleinoo?

How was the USA going to beat Germany without Britain to stage D-Day from, as well as the two British and one Canadian beaches? Co-operation is a two-way street, my Yank friend.

>You barely did shit in WW2
Had we not stayed in the war then all of Europe would have fallen to Germany. Also the North African campaign was almost entirely a British/French effort

>would've surrendered eventually
We didn’t surrender after Dunkirk, so what exactly makes you think we’d have surrendered after winning the Battle of Britain and rebuilding our army?

>Without Russia or USA the UK had no way of defeating Germany.
The Empire controlled 1/4 of the world and 1/4 of its total manpower, and had already blocked German trade with the rest of the world. Even if the US hadn’t joined the war, Germany’s economy would have collapsed and they had absolutely no capability of ever invading the UK. Russia and Britain could have taken Germany alone to be quite frank

Russia was supplying Germany, so if we posit no Barbarossa the German-Russian alliance holds strong. America MIGHT still do lend lease with the Brits but its not guaranteed. The British have no way of waging offensive war against the Germans, their army and even navy weren't in good shape, every attempt at offensive war against the krauts ended in near disaster for the Brits.

You're correct that the Germans don't have the ability to invade Britain but they don't need to. The British will call for a ceasefire sooner rather than later when they realize they can't actually defeat the Germans or even get into Europe to fight them.

The only reason the Western Theater reopened was because a) Soviet pressure from the east and b) American materiel and manpower flooding into the UK.

It was all a plot to bait the USSR and USA into fighting, and in turn keeping all the anti-german nations (britain, france, and poland) in check.
After WW2 britain was permanently babysat by usa, so germany was allowed to grow peacefully, they were always given top of the line gear and a ton of gibs.

USSR collapsed and USA began to decline, germany began the 4th reich aka the EU, they are richer than ever, bongolistan is weak, there is no one left to challenge germany and they control europe.

It was a masterful plan

Polishes threatened German minorities in the Danzig corridor, openly planned to annex Danzig and then crossed the border and attacked a German radio station
And for their shit kicked in

a country's involvement in the second world war should be exclusively ranked and determined by that country's average penis length

>if we posit no Barbarossa the German-Russian alliance holds strong.

Soviets were building an offensive army to invade all of Europe, Germany was the bulwark standing against bolshevism.

Completely agreed, my Limey cousin. The victory over the Nazis was a collaborative effort and each country played an important role.

The USA couldn't stage an entrance into Europe without British help, anymore than the British could have reopened the Western Front without American help.

But the point I was making is, in the absence of the Germans attacking the USSR, especially if this happens in conjunction with no Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the British can't effectively wage offensive war against the krauts and will eventually negotiate a ceasefire (not a "surrender" though, poor choice of words there, since the Germans can't fully invade the U.K).

However if Japan still attacks the USA and Germany declares on us, I think a dual USA-UK effort in the Western Theater would eventually defeat the Germans. The fighting would just be bloodier and take longer in the absence of the Soviets.

>if we posit no Barbarossa the German-Russian alliance holds strong.
lmao
the Soviets would've attacked by 1942 at the latest had Germany not attacked first, that war was inevitable

>source: ilovehitler1488.com
Holy shit, we must've been pretty influential back then if our attack on radio station (false flag BTW) made them annex Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, France and later go to war against the USSR

>German-Russian alliance
No such thing.
It was an attempt to buy time before either side innevitably fucked with the other.

>made them annex Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, France
They only did that because Britain and France declared war on them and they had to protect the shores of Evropa from anglo invasion

>if we posit no Barbarossa the German-Russian alliance holds strong
This is ridiculous, the destruction of the Communist Soviet Union and securing lebensraum in Eastern Europe was one of Hitler’s longtime goals

>The British will call for a ceasefire sooner rather than later
Literally any evidence for this? The UK still had access to global trade unlike Germany, and had made agreements with France in 1940 that neither country would seek peace with Germany

Maybe. Its hard to tell. The Soviets seemed pretty serious about it, they even attempted to join the Axis, much to the chagrin of modern day Leninist idiots who selectively read history.

The Germans were far less enthusiastic about cooperation with the Russians.