I think I am a socialist. Are people socialist in your country?

gigabased

>ideology
Neoliberalism arguably sucks just as much as socialism. It has some benefits but it's corrupt and ultimately seeks a global world order. It's literally the most milquetoast "political" position you can have.

Socialism has never worked because it based on wrong foundations. Marx believed socialism was a natural evolution of capitalist societies, he thought on linear thinking (as a good christian man). Well it turned out no capitalist industrialized society has ever gone socialist. It has only occured in peasant and semi industrialized global south countries. And it has never made them independent. Cuba, Vietnam, Russia, Venezuela...they all went back to being capitalist.

It could be said, marxism is the longest most bloodiest way to become capitalist.

It has never occured to marxists that capitalism isnt a natural phenomenon to humankind, but came to be due to the pillage of the americas and the enslavement of black people. Its not a sustainable economic system on itself. Its needs to perpetuate that system of exploitation in order to function, without ever thinking that in doing so, it destroys humans and the enviroment.

Thats why capitalism is on its last leg.

I identify as neoliberal because the word has no meaning. I believe in a regulated free market economy and civil rights and privacy for individuals.
>"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."
t. Hillary Clinton

No, we are retarded

yes by your logic every indon is religious, humanist, nationalist and a democratic person too

of course

literally says the isn'traeli

>Thats why capitalism is on its last leg.

I don't get it. How is your point of view different from Marxism?

No, people in my country must be 18 to post.

BASED
FUCK ISRAEL

But you can't expect a system like that to work universally. I think the problem comes down to that. I support pragmatic solutions.

Americans unironically think "I support healthcare, i'm socialist like Stalin"

>I support pragmatic solutions.
Yeah obviously which is why I identify as neoliberal. The word means nothing, but at the same time adequately describes my position as pro-markets and pro-civil liberties, while differentiating me from the right and left wing.

I think ideology is worthless and there must be a combination of values and pragmatism. I come from a country that's notorious for pragmatic policy (Singapore) and I disagree heavily with pure pragmatism-based decision making.

what is socialism according to you? most american "socialists" are just liberals that dont want to be indebted for being in school

What's even the selling point to be a socialist? So we can throw more money at brown people and trannies?

I learned that capitalism was inherently unfair. Capital owners cannot make profit without stealing surplus labor from their workers

thats the average tory

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>surplus labor
Not the user you replied to. But who should determine the value of labour?