Why is the Empire so cartoonishly evil post ROTJ? Everything they do after ROTJ makes no sense. Its especially jarring considering that Disney was trying to give them a more nuanced look
>Operation Cinder
>Glass entire planets loyal to the Empire as punishment for the Emperor dying
>Nuke Mandalore, Empires greatest ally because of reasons
How would you fix the Empire?
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where is this from, that gay boba fett Disney shit?
anything not made by Lucas goes into the trash, and it is all universally garbage
What the fuck are you even talking about kek
We got a Christmas Special lover over here
>post ROTJ
Nuking alderaan was already retarded
Everything post Disney just got more retarded because showing grey morality or compelling villains is forbidden.
Even more so with the empire getting forced into a fascist caricature.
>fix the Empire
Go back to pre-disney at least but even then lots of things were retarded.
>Mandalore, Empires greatest ally
Nigga how does crack taste like
Didn’t they blow up a planet in the 1st movie?
I guess it was supposed to mirror Hitler’s Nero decree.
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I always thought that an interesting route Disney could have taken with New Republic vs. Empire is have the galaxy split between the 2 and a cold war develop between them. New Republic could be analgous to Democratic Nations such as NATO while Empire is analgous to the USSR being an autocratic dictatorship. Both are equal in strength but aren't powerful enough to overtake the other. Both sides have their fair share of pros and cons. But I feel like it maybe too derivative of SWTOR and I'm not sure if that would mesh well with "Bringing balance to the force" theme the OT had. I imagine something like LOTGH meets Star Wars
The blew up a planet for no good reason, they were always cartoonishly evil
>Moreover, according to some around him, Hitler came to view the German people as having failed him, unworthy of their great mission in history and thus deserving to die alongside his regime.[3]
Saying anything not by Lucas is trash is not the same as saying everything Lucas did is perfect.
This would require intelligence on Disney's part.
You don't seem to understand Disney. The Empire/Remnant/First Order or whatever is just the bad guys, full stop. They have some mandate for writers that Imperial characters cannot be given sympathetic arcs, cannot articulate why they like being Imperial, cannot succeed at anything ever. I assume it all stems from some stupid whiteboard corporate brainstorming session where they wrote "Imperials - always bad!" and circled it a few times and it became sacrosanct. No more Grand Admiral Pellaeon for us, just screaming retards with kilometer long spaceships.
Having the Empire Remnants be a fascist totalitarian state yet their parts of the galaxy be safe and peaceful vs New Republic be bloated and inefficient democracy struggling to keep their parts safe would've been so kino
Reminds me alot of Fallout New Vegas, NCR vs Legion. Could have been really cool to see. We could have had a USSR / Spanish Nationals aesthetic to the Empire
You’re a little bitch.
The point is that such blanket statements are never true, retard. Must be nice to see the world in such big, simple chunks like you do. Simple and easy.
if they actually did this the people on the internet will say Japan did it first
Hell i remeber someone's take on their general plot for post Rotj star wars and it literally ssoundslike zeta Gundam- the republic (earth federation/ titan) is now evil and some previous bad guy (empire/zeon) has to team up with the good guy to fight
Boba in christmas special was the purest and best representation of boba we've ever had.
That's cliche, boring
Star Wars was never actually good but people like them because they though the heckin spaceships and light sabers were cool as kids so they like to pretend pre Disney the movies were based
pretty pathetic shit actually
I personally am thankful for the deep lore it gave us regarding Wookie boomer holo-pornography viewing habits
They blew up a planet for no reason, their boss was played by peter cushing and his muscle was a guy in black armor called dark invader with a red laser sword who choked people for no reason and had a family of farmers burned alive. In the first movie.
It’s almost as if the empire is being ran by some super evil cult leader, that wants to throw the galaxy into chaos to fuel some invisible presence that he can call on to do magic…
The Empire/First Order became shorthand for Trump so that would never fly in the propaganda machine
New Republic wouldn't even have to be portrayed as bloated and inefficient.
Just give it the angle of how easy it is to rebel and fight for freedom and how hard it is to actually create a functioning government.
Especially with the influence the empire had and how many still were supportive of it.
And with the rebellion less focused on one specific ideology and mostly unified as anti-imperial.
I think legends even had that combined with the fracturing imperial interest groups.
Why is there only droids here shooting any Mando survivors?
Cause terminator reference it was nuked to hell?
It’s fragmented and they’re just acting on Sheev’s plan or lashing out.
They already have "Heroes on both sides" with the Clone Wars.
>Sheev's plan
They needed a way to accelerate past the Imperial Remnants threatening the New Republic faster than the multiple book arcs. So they had the Imperium burn down its own planets and retreat. And they did it in a videogame.
messaging.
they can't show a non-ok form of government having any form of success or decency at all, because they fear it will make people think fascism can ever be ok in any form.
they seethe endlessly over how good starship troopers made it look. they'd never allow that to be repeated.
it makes universes boring and stale, imo. i don't even care about politics, i know the fate of this ephemeral finite world, it will end when god decides it does. i just wish they'd let some level of diversity of civilizations into movies again.
Because the movie is written as propaganda instead of trying to make an interesting story with realistic characters. The Empire are nazis/drumpf supporters so they must also be evil for the sake of being evil just to fit the political narrative. The new republic being reset to the "resistance" was done so to resonate with the leftists audience who larp as rebels despite being backed by corporations and the government.
Movies that try to mirror the current political climate when it isn't conducive to the story are shit and age like milk. It's like watching a shitty comedy from a decade ago and cringing at all the outdated pop culture references.
They were always cartoonishly evil? The fucking Death Star?
The Death Star had purpose and class. What they've done to Star Wars in recent years is just buffoonish and iridescent.
What the fuck are you talking about? It's been that way since 1977
Yeah the purpose is to start galactic genocide now that the senate has no power, how is that not cartoonishly evil too? It's a kids movie get over it
The idea of the Imperial Remnant is really cool.
A few times in Mando or Book of Boba Fett there's been stormtrooper helmets impaled on spears.
I think it would be a great story to follow a squad of stormtroopers stationed on a barely pacified planet that gets a message
>the Death Star 2 has exploded
>Emps is dead
>the natural heir of Vader is also dead
>the majority of the Imperial fleet has been destroyed.
They have to survive reprisals, ditch their armour, blend in and escape to somewhere safe.
They turned Boba Fett into a bleeding heart pacifist/indigenous rights/workers rights generic liberal good guy, but they could have done a similar thing with him as he worked with the Empire.
No is correct the death star was a waste and a completely insane idea build upon a toddler's understanding of people.
It's the one thing I dislike about the original trilogy.
This is the Pellaeon of virtue. The Empire's preservation and a galaxy at peace will come to you, but only if you reply "wrong timeline zoomie".
operation cinder was absolutely retarded, just a lazy way to make the empire even more evil.
Woke villainy is childish intentionally. they don't want to have relatable villains, you're supposed to support the stronk victim group, who's also perfect with zero character flaws.
it comes out being both are incredibly boring.
glass Mandolore because they allied with space Nazis. they wanted to make Mandolorians sympathetic and the only way to pay penitence is to be brought to near extinction.
>everyone complains that Boba is too tame in his show given his history
>"Noooo you chuds not every antihero has to be The Punisher"
>Mando shows up, immediately slaughters a gang of piggers
>hailed as the best episode of the show
Sit down Booba, be humble.
>Muh cold war allegory
Jesus...how embarrassing...
make him black and it's a go
He was kind of right, to be fair.
The Empire was already cartoonishly evil in the first movie you dolt. Tarkin blows up a major world because he felt like it. Vader chokes people out because they don't grovel at his feet. You are letting your bias against Disney mess with your head.
The empire was always cartoonishly evil
>blows up a planet because lol
>its supreme leaders is a sickly looking sadistic wizard part of an order that outright states it only cares about power for the sake of power
>outright states it controls through fear
>all the force users it has practice the dark side of the force which Lucas outright states is a cancer on the force
>even basic color scheme drills it into your head they are the bad guys
The major flaw Disney has with the Empire is that they forgot that they were originally portrayed as somewhat competent instead of being extremely retarded which made them go from being menacing to moustache twirling
It would be kino if he came back and was the Emperor of the New Empire in this cold war scenario
Prime audience of Star Wars are childrens and manchilds. Building complex narrative and story eill alienate audience
>because showing grey morality or compelling villains is forbidden.
No we have had enough 'antagonists that had a bad day"
>post ROTJ
t. Autistic Star Wars fan okay with a giant fucking moon lazer that blows up planets but not nukes
>wrong timeline zoomie
>Incompetent villains who lose to teddy bears manages to wipe out planet full of warrior race of walking armories
Lol, ok
feels good man
>blanket statements are never true
hurrrr
Didn't Boba just massacre a whole biker gang with Slave I in the last episode?
Mandalore fucking shits
Pour fuel on the fire
Would have been hilarious if it turned out to not be the bikers that killed the tuskans
Mandalore was destroyed before ANH.
>>Nuke Mandalore, Empires greatest ally because of reasons
>Empires greatest ally because of reasons
lmao
i'm begging you to open a fucking history book you complete retard
Nu-Mandalorians are so gay, did they even commit a single genocide?
Why did Disney make the empire so weak anyone can kill 100 storm troopers it seems like
You tell me. Fucking Disney, man......................... Shadow-writing and directing Star Wars since the beginning.
Because with complete freedom of travel. Freedom to open carry weapons wherever you want etc etc etc the Evil Galactic Empire is actually less totalitarian than any 21st century Government.
Lucas didn't have anything to do with the Christmas special, other than authorizing it and learning to never do it again.
Cinder was just something that Disney pulled out of their asses so they could jump to their cringy First Order ASAP.
At least after Mando they are backtracking a bit and have reintroduced the Imperial Remnant.
Mandalore entered this war under the childish delusion that they would bomb everyone else and no one would bomb them
Operation Cinder was extremely retarded
>Operation: Cinder was the code name for the orbital bombardment campaign devised by Galactic Emperor Darth Sidious, who sought to punish the Galactic Empire for failing to prevent his death. Following the Emperor's demise during the Galactic Civil War in the Battle of Endor in 4 ABY, his posthumous instructions were relayed to loyal Imperial officers by sentinel messenger droids. They targeted various planets across the galaxy, including Burnin Konn, Candovant, Abednedo, Commenor, and Nacronis, as well as Vardos, a world known for its loyalty to the Empire, and the Emperor's homeworld of Naboo. Although Naboo was saved during the Battle of Theed, Vardos was devastated by satellites that ravaged its ecological balance. Operation: Cinder was the first part in the Emperor's Contingency; the Empire was to be rebuilt in the Unknown Regions while Sidious was secretly revived on Exegol.
>How would you fix the Empire?
Reintroduce Thrawn as space Napoleon. He promises to bring order to the galaxy with an iron fist and a lot of people actually support him because the New Republic is too weak to maintain order and they prefer authoritarianism to being the victims of pirates, gangsters, slavers and general anarchy.
You could do an interesting exploration about the dangers of state power as Thrawn makes alliances with more sinister elements to attain the power he needs to conquer the galaxy.
So wil this all lead up to the sequels and the imperial remnants become part of the first order?
Unfortunately they already reintroduced him as Dr. Claw in a babies cartoon.
Next time, Rebels, next time...
>LOOKS LIKE TEAM EMPIRE'S BLASTING OFF AGAINNNNNNNNN