I recently learned that Ukrainians used to be called Little Russians and their ethnic identity was created by retarded commies in the 20th century. What have you learned lately?
I recently learned that Ukrainians used to be called Little Russians and their ethnic identity was created by retarded...
Brody Foster
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Cameron Scott
Little Russians is just how imperial elite viewed Ukraine in 19th century. Ukrainian identity is older, and the fact is that they tried to create independent country in 1918/20, and those same commies killed it.
David Flores
> What have you learned lately?
I've learned nothing
Joseph Rivera
just learned that Algeria was called France and their identity was made up in the 1950s
Camden Rivera
read last days of soviet empire to see how ukr got independence. not gonna spoonfeed you faggot.
Justin Bailey
>not gonna spoonfeed you faggot
spoonfeed him, that's what frens do
Parker Hill
Did you know that Leon Trotsky's real name was Lev Bronstein
Juan Bennett
>Ukrainian identity is older,
Yeah, I'm sure poor peasants had a concept of being a different ethnicity from the other poor East Slavic peasants in the Middle Ages
Robert Martinez
>On the eve of the Ukrainian referendum, Romania’s parliament adopted a resolution calling for nonrecognition of the results in northern Bukovyna, which it called an “ancient Romanian land.” The Ukrainian foreign minister, Anatolii Zlenko, learned of the Romanian resolution as he was on his way to Bucharest for his first official visit there. He decided not to proceed and left the train in the middle of the night, before it crossed the border. The next morning the foreign minister of Romania, who was not informed of his Ukrainian guest’s sudden change of plans, waited for him in vain at the Bucharest train station. The Ukrainians treated the question of their territorial integrity very seriously. In fact, they had no other choice: postwar Ukraine included territories that had belonged to Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, and Russia before 1939.
>Ukraine’s Russian population could see that the Soviet Union was not working; the economy was in free fall. Everyone in Ukraine, including the Russians, was ready to try something else. Marta Dyczok, a graduate student from Oxford University who was freelancing for the Guardian while doing her archival research in Ukraine, traveled the country on assignment for the newspaper in an effort to grasp the mood of the people. Later she summarized what she learned as follows: “Listening to people before and after the coup, it was that desire for change that was really, really strong. That was the bottom emotion that we heard everywhere. Enough of this confusion, enough of this corruption, enough of this. We want something else. The thing that was being offered as a change was Ukraine becoming independent.”
Jayden Davis
based wholesome spoonfeeder
Cameron Allen
In his appeal to voters, Kravchuk put the main emphasis not on ethnocultural nationalism but on economic independence, drawing on the myth, ingrained in the minds of the country’s inhabitants, of Ukraine as an economic superpower and breadbasket of Europe that was now feeding Russia and the rest of the Soviet republics. Ukrainian newspapers featured a story—which turned out to be completely false—that experts at the Deutsche Bank considered Ukraine the Soviet republic with the greatest economic potential. With living standards in Ukraine higher than those in the Russian provinces for most of the Soviet period and the Ukrainian consumer market for agricultural goods doing much better than the Russian market in the fall of 1991, it did not take much to persuade Ukrainian citizens of all nationalities to choose independence and thus economic prosperity.
Asher Davis
Is there a single region of the ex USSR that wasn't condemned by the Jewish elite to decades of ethnic tensions?
Ethan Jackson
If you go that far there is no concrete Russian identity either, just nebulous Ruthenians. But I'm talking about 19th century if not also 18th. Ukraine was affected by the fact that they always drifted a bit towards the West - like with PLC, uniate church and so on.
Brody Rivera
So what makes Ukrainians different is Polish and Lithuanian colonialism?
Blake Young
>Little Russians and their ethnic identity was created by retarded
We have that, ours is named Uruguay
Grayson Torres
>just learned that Algeria was called France and their identity was made up in the 1950s
They still are French, THOUGH
Levi Martin
>little rossians
That's how seething Rossia mongols called Ruthenians which they once were before muttifications.
Hudson Murphy
Yes, and mongol colonialism in the case of Russia
Nathan Cox
It's not really colonialism, there were very little of that in PLC. But yes, cultural sphere wise Ukraine (western and central parts of it) formed under PLC influence.
Eli Allen
And more similarities (less erosion) to how Ruthenians were
Carson Nelson
>It's not really colonialism,
What would you call creating a church to try and co-opt and subdue the locals' religious practices into your own?
>But yes, cultural sphere wise Ukraine (western and central parts of it) formed under PLC influence.
It seems they revolted against it and eventually allied with Russia:
en.wikipedia.org
Why did they do it if they were West friendly?
Brody Garcia
>It seems they revolted against it and eventually allied with Russia
compare that to other revolts and alliances instead of cherrypicking
we changed alliances a lot because someone always ended up having ulterior motives against us