Schism root of all evil

As an Old Believer I think current situation in Ukraine is caused by the schism of 17th century. The history is repeating itself.

In 17th century Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich Romanov accepted Ukraine into Russia after request by Bogdan Khmelnitsky who rose against Polish occupation and supression of Orthodox Christians. Tsar accepted Ukraine but because they were under influence of latin heretics their Orthodox rites were distorted (e.g. baptism without full immersion which is an Apostolic Rule, three finger cross sign), so Tsar decided to align all Orthodox rites with Greek (who were already under wicked Turks). Patriarch Nikon who was very ambitious supported the idea cause he wanted to be pan-Orthodox Patriarch, not just Russian. Church reform which was basically integration project for newly accepted Ukraine led to the schism. Those Russians who saw that original Byzantine Orthodoxy is being replaced by new kind of distorted Orthodoxy influenced by latin heretics, decided to go against Tsar power and official Church. We were lablled schismatics, burned alive and persecuted for several centuries. Freedom of faith was granted to Old Believers only in 1905.

Solzhenytsin said that without 17th centruty there wouldn't be 1917. So I think Russian Empire, October coup, Soviet Union and current Russian Federation are all just elements of tragedy started in 17th century with the schism of Russian Church.

Now I think we are returning to our original Russian civilization which we lost in 17th centruy when Russia abandoned its own path and chose to follow European model, adopting Greek/latin faith and western customs. Now when we are isolated we have a chance to rebuild our soverign Russian civilization, the Holy Rus. But that would be impossible without Kiev as a mother of all Russian cities.

What do you think?

Cпacи вceх Хpиcтoc, бpaтцы!

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this is what happens when you worship externals too much.

patriarch michael cerularius did the same when he became a schismatic in 1054 and destroyed the eastern catholic church with the "orthodox" sect using beards and external differences between latin and byzantine rites as excuses for schism

Well difference between latins and orthodox is not external, that's what new riters accuse old believers all the time. There's a fundamental dogmatic difference. Catholics changed the Credo and created new ecclesiology in which Pope is the head of Church, latins replaced Christ with a human being. But that's not the point.

If you were an old believer you wouldn't know english or own a computer

What do you know about Old Believers? We are very spread around the globe, some live in latin america and know spanish, some live in oregon and know english. I lived abroad myself for a while but thanks God returned to Russia recently. Also, it's a retarded view of us as backwards, my soglasie doesn't believe that antichrist has already come. Those old believers that live in forests believe that antichrist is already here that's why they avoid any contact with outside world.

this wasn't new ecclesiology. and the belief that the holy spirit proceeds from the Father from his love for the word and the sons love of the father was already held in doctrine.

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>As an Old Believer
Cringe
Schism is a deadliest sin.
« Cмoтpитe жe, caми нe oтдeляйтecь oт Цepкви и дpyгих, кoтopыe нaчнyт oтклoнять oт нee, нe cлyшaйтe. Пoпoвцы ли пpидyт или бecпoпoвцы, гoнитe их. Эти… – cyть cкoпищa пoгибших. Caми гибнyт и дpyгих тaщaт в пaгyбy. Cлышy, чтo вac хoть мнoгo, нo вce вы хpaнитe чиcтyю cвятyю вepy и нeт мeждy вaми ни oднoгo pacкoльникa. И дa coхpaнит вac Гocпoдь oт тoй язвы. Блюдитecь! И блaгocлoвeниe Гocпoднe пpeбyдeт нa вac и нa вceх дeлaх pyк вaших. A ecли ктo пoпaдeтcя мeждy вaми тaкoй, вы вce – миpoм – cкaжитe eмy: «Или бyдь c нaми зaoднo вo Cвятoй Цepкви, или иди кyдa хoчeшь, a нaшeгo чиcтoгo oбщecтвa хpиcтиaнcкoгo нe бecчecть».
Cвятитeль Фeoфaн Зaтвopник

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Funny pic bro. Though text is not applicable to me. I am an Old Believer in communion with the Church. As Nikonians call us Edinoverets.

I don’t like how Feofan talks about our brothers and sisters in schism. Instead of trying to bring them into Chruch he’s demonizing them. Very sad.

>Funny pic bro.
Yes, kinda..
>Though text is not applicable to me. I am an Old Believer in communion with the Church. As Nikonians call us Edinoverets.
We should unite not divide, m8. One Orthodox Church for all of us.
Even Catholicucks can join, especially now when they proved their incompetence.

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