Why do so many retards blame NATO for the invasion of Ukraine?

not fair
they also sent us their old decomissioned military tech

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Yes, think of all the fertilization that the USSR provided in the form of starved Ukrainian corpses.

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because communists are retards

The very idea of NATO is retarded. It only exists because the Anglos are convinced that Germans and Russians trading with each other is le bad. So they force Germans and other Western Europeans to spend millions on shitholes like Poland.

People have a really simplistic view on some things. Not only this issue. Ignoring Russia's capability to strengthen relations to the west simplifies things to the extent that you can consider them a victim of NATO aggression. The Russian government wants the country to be strong and independent motherland that doesn't need the west.

Poland was right. Even Orban is taking notes.

I admire your confidence in calling others retards.

That would have been fine if they didn't consider their current borders insufficient for this.

And what if the USSR was slightly less dictatorial about all that? The fall of USSR was a tragedy in some economic ways. But if you give repressed people a taste of freedom, they will fight to get it back.

Why are poles such massive NATO bootlickers

>free VPNs are all blocked
kek, tfw my powerlevel is higher than those shills

Belgians will pay the bill for the 40 million new EU members not us. Be happy with the bugs and pods.
Poland is a taint on the map of Europe and only exists because of Americans.

It's a legitimate thing.
This is why americans have a right be bear firearms. That's the idea yeah. Especially in the modern geopolitics, whoever owns nukes = the gun = can change the world.
Except it's more like suicide vest.
One party feels threatened it can detonate it and kill everyone on the room.
If someone feels threatened = you should chill the fuck out.

In this case the US should chill, dissolve NATO and isolate itself to fix it's economy, instead of expanding further.

Putin made 2 comaints about Nato last week. 1 that Nato was slowly expanding east and might even take in Ukraine and 2 that Nato didn't expand east fast enough to take in Russia. If that doesn't give people cause to think about his argument they are unreachable.

Are you talking about Russia or NATO? For the reason I mentioned, I don't see NATO expansion as an aggressive act. Russia didn't need to flip the fuck out at any point.

Look at Ukraine right now and you will see why.

Actually I think France feels vaguely threatened so logically Russia should completely dissolve the Federation into various smaller disarmed republics that use the Euro. Since we're being retarded and all.

>Angry monke man slowly devours a country piece by piece
>Surprised that the citizens want to cozy up to the West so it stops happening
>Chimp out and invade to stop them from making a defensive pact with your enemies
>Its not our fault, the West did this!
>I am le savior of the white race, my internet shill army says so!

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>The only thing they provided was a justified fear of Russian invasion
Ukraine was firmly in Russia's sphere before it had a usa backed coup in 2014

The difference is that we want NATO here. Ukrainians don't want you.

If we go by the mcnuke ideology you guys are pushing it's only a matter of time before one of the lunatics blows up the world for everyone. If we aren't there already.

For all the arguments about morality that putinbots sometimes spew, there is no justification on this world or the next to burn the world over a phantom of an empire.

Military people don't understand how the world works outside of their field of expertise. They looks at USSR and think that it was superpower just because it had many tanks and bombs, ignoring the fact that you need industry and economy to support all that.

It's not "words", because words are absolutely meaningless.
It's about overall geopolitical situation.
If your empire cannot influence or prevent the loss of the territory in any way besides starting a nuclear war it means you should take that L and try elsewhere.
It's easy, kinda like poker/chess.

Russia, obviously. NATO is not a country. Trying to paint it as some sort of blobbing empire is either projection or just deliberate deceit.

>If you don't like these countries joining NATO, blame Russia's leaders
I blame the leaders on both sides, the people don't have a say in this

So that Russia can swoop in and turn half of Europe into puppet states? Why can't you just be friendly like othet countries? Why do you have to spread your oppression to people who don't want it?

I dont think you understand that not all places in Eastern Europe benefitted from the USSR, there were many places that already had well established infrastructure, buildings and education before the communists and in some cases turned out worse after the communists arrived.

>we want NATO here. Ukrainians don't want you.
their opinions are irrelevant because nor you nor Ukraine does not have nuclear weapons.
These are not souvereign states. You don't have souveregnity, you can only be a vassal state of an empire with nuclear bombs.
You lost this war in the early XX century, now you can't change the course of history and just have to deal with things you cannot change.

Why are Poles this obsessed with Russia?
We consider their society Germanified, sick and souless, also Poland shamelessly suck American and Nato dicks.
Are they being afraid that we able to destroy their fragile westernized prosperity and peace? Or they are secretly love us and just want our attention?

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Did CIA force hundreds of thousands of people out in the street to protest a corrupt puppet?

Why are people so narrow minded? It's not only about NATO, it's about energy
youtu.be/If61baWF4GE
And also about overall Russia situation
youtu.be/7nKvym5jmj8
And also agricultural and other bits and pieces
youtube.com/watch?v=RA9rbA4m2V0

>hundreds of thousands
Oh no

>Why can't you just be friendly like othet countries?
Our government needs outside enemies to have control over people. When evil Westerners getting closer and closer to eat your children you won't worry so much about what your goverment is doing.

>they are secretly love us and just want our attention?
oh no no no, polebros not our secret

what did he mean by this?

We can't "just swoop". It doesn't work like that. If NATO suddenly leaves there will be a massive power vacuum and potentially a war in central europe between Russia, France, the British, maybe even Chinese.

Why would anyone chose the Russian """empire""" when the west is so much better for everyone?

Do westoids really?

>Why would anyone chose
They don't get to choose. It's not up to them to decide. That's just how geopolitics work.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Russia poor as shit after the USSR collapsed? Like they needed to pick themselves up first before being able to exert any form of influence outside of Russia, and by the time they got somewhat stable NATO was already expanding into eastern europe? So they didn't really have anything to provide apart from hard power, especially compared to the west.

>Why are Poles this obsessed with Russia? We consider their society
Are you completely deranged?

We don't consider anything beyond Baltic States, Ukraine and Belarus to exist

Poland is already what is seen "far abroad"

Such is a political reality in Russia

Case in point.

The current crisis in Europe is a mere consequence of the political and social crisis in the United States. They had mass protests in 2020, then there were dreadful elections, the country is polarized as fuck.
This is the consequence of that.