I don't get sufferingfags

I know you fuckers are out here. The people who turn the concept of suffering, both mental and physical, into something to obsess over and deliberately strive for. This is a thread for you to explain yourself because I don't fucking get you.

I get the basic idea that in order for character growth to be compelling, they need to go through hardships. They need to feel down, to feel depressed, to have their darkest moment. But the way I see it, this is always just a single component of a bigger story. Unless you're deliberately writing something pessimistic, the point is always that this suffering eventually leads to a catharsis and to a climactic victory, which is what makes it worthwile.

This doesn't seem to be how sufferingfags perceive it. To them, suffering should not necessarily lead to some kind or growth or resolution, it just exists for the sake of itself because they get some sort of a rise out of watching their favorite character suffer.

Is this a fetish thing? Do you people legitimately get turned on from this? Is this a sadism thing? It might be the case I guess, but from the "suffering" shit I've seen it doesn't seem particularly sadistic, just... very edgy and angsty.

Is this a venting thing? Like do you just suffer from some kind of trauma, anxiety, mental illness etc. and choose a character to project all your negative emotions over? I sort of get this, but sort of don't. I might want to see my favorite characters face hardships, but I don't want them to suffer for the sake of it. I want to see them strong and come out on top. Sufferingfags seemingly don't. I don't get it. Also I think if you really wanna project your turmoil it's better to make an edgy OC or just your own original work to begin with rather than clinging to something not made for this purpose.

Did I miss anything? You're welcome to share your views on this subject because it has puzzled me for a long time.

Attached: suffering fags are so weird.jpg (500x730, 85.56K)

*shits into your open mouth*

tl;dr women's tears bring me satisfaction and a big pp

Most sufferingfags I've seen are women...

Are you one of those autists who gets triggered when they see art of their favorite cartoon character in pain? The spoiler seems to imply that.

>fetish
for some it could be
>sadism
probably not but I'm sure there are some people that are into that shit
Suffering is a part of the human condition. Suffering is not something you do deliberately to have character growth. If I could grow and become successful without suffering don't you think I would choose that route, even if it's not a compelling story for you? People that suffer deeply learn to empathize with the suffering of others.
I don't know if it makes them better people or not, but consider the sadist angle you mentioned. Banks issue loans using formulas.
The math is not impossible to learn, but for average people with below average math skills e and log are always going to be an opaque subject. This is by design. Banks didn't have to use e or log to design your loan. they do it to apply pressure to people. They do it to increase suffering.

This. I have the unbelievable urge to bully women. I only ever tease because that is mostly socially acceptable , but I just want to pull their underwear over their heads.

It's just fetishism at a certain point. Like wasn't there some big thing with a cute blind girl that only goes through suffering and it got a huge following.
It's just softcore ryona.

You're abusefags, not sufferingfags.

test

>Suffering is not something you do deliberately to have character growth.
It kind of is when you write a story, because you want it to be interesting. This is what suffering's main purpose in fiction is, to spice up the main dish (the story). It's when you take out the main dish and leave just the spice is when I become confused.
>People that suffer deeply learn to empathize with the suffering of others.
But isn't deliberately creating fictional situations of suffering for the sake of it the opposite of empathizing? I figure you'd want something you love to suffer as little as possible, and would only want something you hate to suffer.

Always wanted to try that on someone but was afraid that it’ll snap their neck back and kill them

Idk i just do
I'm bi so men aren't safe either

I'm unironically a sadomasochist. I enjoy certain kinds of pain, I enjoy inflicting certain kinds of pain, and I like inflicting it on people who can take it. Beating up on the helpless is for pussies. Beating up on someone who can do unto you and break your nose is fun.
Vicarious suffering also lets me vent some exhaustion and existential terror. Comfy is easy to come by, torment done well is harder. Edgy is only good when done for laughs.

>ITT im a fat porn addicted neet and i only enjoy suffering in fiction because my flesh is so weak irl i get bruises from being lightly gripped
This post also aroushe sufferfag

Fatherless behavior & women are freaks.

If suffering is a small part of your story and it ultimately is a vector for character growth, then you are reading an extremely childish story. Life is suffering. Wanting your stories to say otherwise is an escapist power fantasy.

I take it Crime and Punishment is an extremely childish story because of Raskolnikov's psychosis and suffering leads him to finding salvation in God at the end?

Same but with guys, someone with power losing it and falling into despair is what I like the most.

>God
Yes

Not Any Forums, but pic related is the ideal I strive for, the higher the fall, the better

Attached: kakegurui.jpg (924x519, 77.95K)

What?
Ow the edge.

You seriously read Crime and Punishment and thought it was a story about how suffering brings you closer to God? What, and you think when Mishkin turns into a babbling fool at the end of The Idiot it was because he was so happy at witnessing all of the sin and brutality around him?

Pearls before swine. Stick to CS Lewis, he's more your speed.