He’s right you know

Reaction would've been the same regardless. First, it was always an impossible fantasy that you would never have been satisfied by.
>It's *different*
>It's... bad!
This is the prequels/special editions hate all over again, and just as impotent and meaningless. The purpose of this is exercise is endless desire *itself*, that the complaints are baseless and without merit is what sustains this exercise.
Second, like the prequels, the desires of the fans did come true in a monkey-paw fashion:
>I want Luke as a jedi master!
>"Okay so we watched the movies and it's clear that the Jedi are huge fuckups, just completely terrible as an organization. Directly responsible for Anakin murdering so many people and instigating interstellar wars of aggression."
Obviously, Luke as a jedi would be a fuck-up, since the jedi themselves are fuckups. But fans react to an actual understanding of the narrative of SW by rejecting it outright.

So fanfiction.net is the largest bastion of quality writing apparently. If you really care about creative integrity, you'd hire neither and end the story when you, as the creator, are done with it.

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Dragon Ball is the worst example of this, Toriyama ripped off the mexican fans for Gohan Blanco and made profit off it.

>Snyder
>Superman fan
The guy already said several times he's not a Superman fan.

Not wrong, but since this is the bait thread

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>Snyder
>Superman fan
absolutely hilarious.

Josh thinks the wolves are white people doesn't he?

DBS is a mess, fuck fans

>>"Okay so we watched the movies and it's clear that the Jedi are huge fuckups, just completely terrible as an organization.
They aren't
>Directly responsible for Anakin murdering so many people and instigating interstellar wars of aggression."
They didn't
>Obviously, Luke as a jedi would be a fuck-up
Based on what? He was a natural hero.

>a natural hero
He was human and fallible, like his father before him.
Why is this so hard to understand?

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That’s not true.
youtu.be/ws85gYk1ypM
This video is an hour long, you don’t need to to watch the whole thing if you’re not interested, but the basic idea is the Star Wars sequel creators have all made incredibly inconsistent statements, regarding George Lucas’s sequel treatments and what was kept vs what was dropped

stuff made by "fans" sucks. they venerate the material too much, look to the wiki as a religious document not to be sullied. or they pander to their own waifus or ships or fetishes and pandering always sucks.
it's also bad when a team is working on something that they don't like in the first place. but not as bad as when fans do it.
the best is when the original creators make things to spite the fans. fandom in general is a destructive force on society so it's a universal good when fans get trolled. they deserve it.
when lucas first changed the han shooting greedo scene it was stupid, but now that he knows he's pissing people off, he keeps changing it on purpose and it's great

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Return of the Jedi was a 23 year old Luke desperately trying to stop the Sith from killing everybody just to remember there is another way

Sequels is a 53 year old Luke simply giving up in the middle of the fight and hiding while several of his friends and followers are destroyed by the sith even though they had the upper hand, Luke was never a reluctant hero

>I will not kill you, nephew
The absolute state

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luke was suppossed to have a dark ending iot was just handled poorly

No no no user, he also tries murdering his infant nephew in his sleep. You know, like Luke always did! Hahaha

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It is simply wrong to say that Luke's moment with sleeping Ben Solo is out of character. It is absolutely within character. Yoda tells Obi-Wan to kill Anakin. Obi-Wan tells Luke to kill Anakin. Obi-Wan agrees to do it. Luke refuses. It sounds harsh, but Yoda is right in both cases. If you have magic abilities to foresee a threat and you sense millions of deaths issuing from one man's turn to the dark, you end the threat. You should think about killing Young Hitler if someone foresees his future. That responsibility comes before your personal feelings. Or, at least, it's good leadership to think that way.
When Luke sees Ben's future, he reacts instinctively to this wisdom. He is a leader. He should end the threat before it becomes real.
Then the better part of him--the Luke we know--stops himself. That is Luke. It's not out of character to be tempted. It is out of character if he tried to go through with it. He did not. The logic of those who criticize this scene suggests that Luke really tried to kill Ben. Rather, he did exactly what he has done in the past: saw great evil and refused to allow it to lead him on a path to murder, despite what others might counsel.
He did exactly what he did in ROTJ: gave into instinct and then overcame instinct. That makes it IN character. What happened afterwards was a result of a kind of Shakespearean tragic miscommunication/misunderstanding.
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Luke does NOT do what Yoda and Obi-Wan did after his pupil turns to the dark. They went into hiding, biding their time until they could train a super weapon that they could use against Palpatine and Vader. They intended to train a new Skywalker to kill an old Skywalker that they failed at training. When you think about it, their plan doesn’t make that much sense. I know we aren’t allowed to speak ill of the OT, but if they had one job (to train the “Last Hope” of the Galaxy), why did they wait so long? In fact, why did they wait until events forced their hand? What would they have done if Leia didn’t happen upon Tatooine? If not for luck/The Force, Leia (1/2 of their last hope) would have died (were there plans to train her?).
Luke’s exile makes more sense than theirs. He doesn’t want to wait to train the person who will eventually kill Ben Solo/Snoke. He realizes that he is part of a cycle: the Jedi find special people, train them to use magic powers as great weapons, and place them in positions where if they ever get tempted to use their amazing powers for ill (and succumb to that temptation), as many people die from this evil as end up being saved by Jedi goodness. He comes to believe that it is time to end this cycle. He believes that it's improper for an organized group to seek out people to train in the Force, as if the Force is theirs to wield. The Force, he believes, will find a way to work its way without the Jedi.
You can disagree with his logic, but to say that he is giving up and leaving his friends/family behind out of cowardice isn’t accurate. He doesn’t quit because he failed once and gave up; he quits because he sees that he’s part of a cycle of failure that is inevitable.

The only fans still involved in media production nowadays are all Asian.
Western adaptations aren't made by fans nowadays.

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don't forget when Toriyama did hire a fan you get good stuff like this

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The main problem is not Luke being a stupid drunk blue milk addicted hobo who almost killed his nephew while acting crazy

The problem is Luke giving up and taking the force and jedi knowledge with him, abandoning all his friends and followers who are holding the line to be destroyed, it's okay for some heroes to give up or turn evil but Luke is not this archetype.