>finally decide to read X-Men chronologically
>read stan lee's X-Men
>constantly burst out LMAO'ing at how silly and comedic it is
Was it on purpose? Or simply the times?
Also any other recommendations for someone finally jumping into the confusing X-rabbit hole
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Silver Age Marvel is heavily comedic (Stan was always teenage romance comedy writer first) and X-Men is probably on the lover half. FF and Spider-Man is way more consistant on these points.
Stan and Jack's hearts were never really all that into X-Men. There's some good moments in it, but it is certainly on the lower end of their runs, alongside Lee's Daredevil.
Honestly, Roy Thomas' run is surprisingly better. His Sentinels story in particular is what influenced all future stories.
But you honestly should just start with Giant-Size X-Men and then jump to Claremont's run. It's what REALLY started the whole that is X-Men.
>Also any other recommendations for someone finally jumping into the confusing X-rabbit hole
Giant Size, Claremont Highlights, Morrison, Carey, Remender, BENDIS Rightclops, HoX/PoX
Does it tell you when those become relevant like it usually does in the main series?
Honestly you should have just started with Claremont, Lee is completely skippable and you don't miss out on much, even for the times it was considered a mediocre comic (and if you still want to know a little about that era, First Class and The Hidden Years are much better interpretations of it).
Basically, just skip straight to Giant Size (where a new team is formed and introduces Wolvie, Storm and Colossus) followed by issue 94 to start reading Claremont's run.
Start reading Claremont's Uncanny X-Men without skipping anyhing (don't do what said and only read what is considered "the essentials", this run relies heavily on building upon everyhing that came before). There are also several mini's, annuals and one-shots written by Claremont that are very important to the continuity and that you'd miss out on if you only read by issue, so pick up collections that organize everything with the correct reading order
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This collection the best way to read this run as it has everything.
Around issue 160 or so, New Mutants also starts, written by Claremont as well. I HEAVILY recommend reading this alongside the run, alternating between the two every few issues. Not only does New Mutants fill some really big holes in the story, but the two comics also complement each other (some characters appear or start a storyline in NM, only for it to continue in UXM, and vice-versa). It also helps that NM is really good. Reading these two at the same time is one of the best experiences I've had in comics.
This print continues until issue 210 or so, after which you'll have to look up the trades by yourself to continue the run.
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Is there anything like the X-Men conceptually that actually approaches the idea with any degree of consistent logic? People with physical mutations they don't like easily removing them and moving on, normies only hating the super powerful "I emit an energy field that kills all organic life in a 500 ft radius," that previous power level discrepancy between Beast or Angel and Scarlet Witch or Rogue not being a thing because it ruins the moralizing bullshit, the fact people only hate mutants because they need to moce the plot along despite the hundreds of other superpower sources etc
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Around this time as well, X-Factor starts. Not as important to the continuity as New Mutants aside from events (and not written by Claremont), so the issues related to the event in question should suffice (these are included in the TPB's collecting the event). You might still want to check out the first few issues to know what the fuck is the deal with Jean.
After the event around issue 228, Excalibur also starts. Not essential but really good too (this one is written by Claremont). I'd recommend you keep reading this until the end of Alan Davis' run (issue 58).
I also recommend you stop reading New Mutants after the end of Inferno (issue 73), as that's not only a good stopping point, but it also lets you avoid the sight of Rob Liefeld complete takeover of the book.
Keep reading Claremont's run until the end, and you'll basically have finished all the old-school grandaddies and essentials of the X-Men books. I'll trust you'll have enough judgement by then to know what you'll want to read next.
Oh, I forgot to link some stuff
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All of New Mutants until the start of Inferno, including annuals
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All of Claremont's and Davis' Excalibur.
Honestly, since I'm feeling generous today, I'll post the collection I've made of the rest of Claremont's run, labeled in a way that lets you easily transition into it from this link
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It also contains the necessary annuals and minis :
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Basically, by combining it with the link above, you get all of Claremont's run. It's pretty annoying to collect so here you go.
X-Men were originally meant to be a quirky group of oddball heroes getting into weird situations with some equally oddball villains. Thats why their tag line at the time was "The strangest superheroes of them all." Also why the majority of the X-Men had weird, physical mutation powers.
Doom Patrol was DC's version of X-Men and if X-Men continued the way it was intentended, it would look very similar today to Doom Patrol now in the modern days.
Really the X-Men as we know it, the civil rights allegories, margenalized group metaphors, the more school aspect all started with Clairemont's run.
I've been trying to read ALL of Marvel chronologically. But I can't, I've been skipping around instead. Stan Lee, while iconic, is so cornball. Once you reach the point where Stan steps back from writing is where Marvel really seems to take off. I'm really enjoying Roy Thomas' work. The only really good Stan Lee writing is on Spider-Man. Otherwise, the really cornball romance stuff which is just inane is all over the place. I've been reading early Iron Man in Tales of Suspense, and holy shit the every issue kindergarten-tier romance drama between Tony Stark, Pepper Potts and Happy is just cringy, especially if you're reading several in a row, its so repetitive.
TL;DR: It gets better. Especially when Stan steps aside from writing.
If you need to read 1960s X-Men, I would recommend at the very least reading #49-66.
#49-52 introduce Polaris and the Eric the Red costume, which is hijacked by another character in the Claremont run for a major plot point. #53 is a filler issue that features early Barry Windsor Smith artwork.
#54-56 introduces Havok (though he doesn't get his costume/codename until #58) and #57-59 is the second Sentinel story that codifies everything people think of the Sentinels going forward as far as being the definitive Sentinel story.
60-61 introduces Sauron and 62-63 is the famed Savage Land storyline that introudces the Savage Land Mutates, a plot which the first X-Men movie ripped off (Magneto creating mutants via science), and where we first see Magneto's unmasked face (which directly led to later writer retconning Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch Magneto's kids due to Magneto looking just like Quicksilver when unmasked). Just a warning though; for the two-parter, Neal Adams asked for and got Marvel to let him use watercolors for the coloring of these two issues so they look RADICALLY different from his earlier artwork.
#64 introduces Sunfire and #65 is the grand finale for the original series, where Xavier is brought back via retconning his previous death to be Morph having died in his place. It also introduces the OG X-Men "power circuit attack" that is common in alt universe stories with the original X-Men. #66 is an epilogue to the series, as Xavier is hurt in the previous storyline and the X-Men hunt down Hulk to have him perform surgery on Xavier that ultimately saves his life.
ignore this guy, and just read Steranko / Neal Adams issues. You're welcome
Stan’s run on Ravage 2099 was really entertaining. Cornball as hell but in a way better way than his other stuff.
Stan Lee is a bit of a klutz (and loves undermining Kirby's female characters for some reason).
X-Men was Marvel's version of Doom Patrol my dude.
>ignoring Claremont
Are you retarded?
Something that oddly works as reference for zoomies is Jojo.
Group of people with weird abilities routinely meet weird assholes with weird abilities.
Thanks for this user, I'm already halfway through Stan though. I feel like I wanna appreciate the good with the bad.
>recommendations
X-Men Epic Collection: It's Always Darkest Before the Dawn
fills the gap between issue 66 and giant size. Champions series from 1975 features Angel & Iceman after the leave X-Men.
I was literally about to post this lol
Good to know, never read it but will when I get there. I wonder if it was ghost-written, since his DC interpretations and other modern works were so bad.