Why can't bad guys just be bad guys? Where did this need to redeem everyone come from?
Why can't bad guys just be bad guys? Where did this need to redeem everyone come from?
Cameron Watson
Austin Clark
from steven universe
Matthew James
I guess it's more of a writer's ego thing. They want to be seen as "revolutionary", "influential" and that makes them look like a saint so they try to distance themselves from things they consider "dated" and with that they end up with something pretentious and nonsensical. [Spoiler]Holy shit i started to sound like a Jojo character there.[/spoiler]
Grayson Allen
That's just Sugar's show in particular. Lots of shows still have villains that are either forces of nature or just utter cunts, why single out SU for daring to have 0 totally evil villains?
Dominic Young
Because cartoons are written and produced by bad guys.
Jose Clark
No one's allowed to lie anymore either. Compare how flustered the Grinch was in the Illumination movie while lying to Cindy as opposed to the 60s one
Justin Powell
This
Ethan Morris
because only men can be evil, women are always merely misunderstood or misguided (usually by a man)
Julian Gray
I like villains and want to see them happy
Oliver Richardson
Writers intend for the bad guy to be this one-dimensional baby eating villain but halfway throughout the story they decide that the villain needs a redemption arc for their own ego without thinking about past characterization.
This. Good writers would justify a Villans through ends justify the means scenario (Villan had to do X to prevent Y from happening) therefore making their actions morally grey and more of a dilemma. Evil empires don't do shit in a vacuum. The Imperium of Man has to be hyper militarized and authoritarian to keep its empire safe from internal and external threats. They do some really bad shit, but the alternative would be the total destruction of the human race
If you would take an Illogical villain of pure evil (Joker, Hannibal Lester, etc.) and you try to redeem them it would make no sense. Why would they listen to reason after it is well known that they are just unequivocally evil? The only way that the heroes can change the Villans mind through reason is if the Villans show REASON themselves.
>pic how diamond arc should have gone
Mason Barnes
Rembered how centaurworld ended when everyone was saying did the villian really deserve to die a gruesome death without redemption.
Landon White
Pink Diamond, Navy, Eyeball and Aquamarine were all basically 'just bad guys' in the end. Granted three of those four never had their plots resolved and the one that did basically just did everything she wanted then died.
Bentley Ross
Because bad guys are just good guys for the other side.
Ian Carter
>Good writers would justify a Villans through ends justify the means scenario
So you're saying the only way to make a villain work is by making a copypaste of the first villain you read about in your W40K books.
Henry Collins
Most of Calarts is dominated by extremely sheltered people who believe violence is never the answer and criminals are good boys who was just getting they lives back together
Aiden Reyes
Reply to this post or default pose Chip and Dale will show up on your doorstep tonight.
Thomas Lewis
>Why can't bad guys just be bad guys?
Because it's boring.
No, you autist. Cardboard cutout villains are just boring. They can be entertaining but if every single villain is just a different shade of "smug asshole that loves being evil" then there's no real variety, and only a handful of stories you can effectively tell.
>Holy shit i started to sound like a Jojo character there
Are you actually 16 years old?
Jayden Wood
It started with dragon ball z actually
yamcha
tenshinhan
picollo
vegeta
now theyre trying freezer
Ethan Clark
Pink Diamond is fine, her arc was seen in reverse she wasn't some irredeemable monster, in actuality she was just a deeply flawed child put in a difficult scenario just like Steven was, and still chose to better herself.
Jack Lopez
>not a single story EVER had the antagonist join the heroes' side before DBZ and Steven Universe
This is what happens when you watch nothing but cartoons all day.
Justin Fisher
What even defines a "bad guy?"
So they drill planets for their resources to help expand their own empire. That doesn't mean that they're the type to lord over that planet's native sentient lives in contrast to the other intergalactic forces that take over Earth.
Xavier Brown
How the fuck were they redeemed? Even Steven himself self disgusted being around them in Future.
Nathaniel Smith
Cause Rebecca is an idiot.