Japan gets 30 new shows every 3 months with at least 12 episodes each

So what you're telling me is the reason our cartoon industry is dead is because our comic industry is dead?

Cartoons are for children and selling toys

Bang or pass?

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American children like toy unboxings and watching lets plays not cartoons

What are these 3 cartoons?

Ghost McGee, Loud House, and, uh....other stuff.

There is more of an incentive to do grunt work in the anime industry because enough indie projects get their start that you getting a show of your own someday actually is a real possibility. You work as an animator, learn your stuff as a peon, and then either go into manga and tell your original story or get a bunch of your friends together and go and found your own anime studio where you call the shots.

Meanwhile, in american animation, everything you ever work on will always be the property of some big corporation that owns you. A small circle of nepotism gets a chance to do what they want, and everyone outside that circle will never get anywhere close to it.

Because indie exists but you don't support it
If it's not on Disney Channel or Cartoon Network it doesn't exist to you

Partially. The real problem is a lack of good merchandise tie-ins. Manga and light novels are also too easy to pirate, just like anime and cartoons. Transformers manages to keep getting cartoons because of the toy sales, which is still partially kept up by old fans, but a lot of kids would rather play videogames than with toys. Tie-ins with videogames would only really work if the games were popular multiplayer games that require connection to a company server to play, since singleplayer games are relatively easy to pirate and don't have nearly the same profit margins. There's more merchandise than just toys, like clothes and accessories, which is why girl's cartoons have managed to stick around longer than boys cartoons, because that merch still sells.

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But the quality is also shit.

>Posts live action
Lol
Lmao

This.

No, our cartoon industry is dead because we don't have a tightly intergrated system of cross-media marketing propped up by whales.

>be netflix
>release them all at once with no marketing
>everybody immediately forgets them
>be disney/nick/cn
>release episode once a week with shit tons of marketing
>Any Forums talks about them more
>be indie youtube animation
>can't dump everything at once, maybe three times a year
>Any Forums only talks about them when new stuff arrives
>be small studio like Laika
>can only release one movie every four years
>be big studio like Disney, Pixar, Illumination or Sony
>can release new movie every other year
There. I explained it for you.

Indie anime and manga also exists, in fact there's a gigantic yearly convention just for that, but that doesn't stop regular productions from being made

>release episode once a week with shit tons of marketing
>Any Forums talks about them more
Of...what? Spongebob and TTGo get new episodes once every few months, but Any Forums does not have threads about them.

So OP is retarded and full of shit.
Got it.

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There's a new series released like every other week. The streaming age has flooded the market with absolute trash.
Japan's animation output has been shit for just as long

because their threads get relegated to /trash/

Anime doesn't make money on anime, it makes money on merch, and the returns aren't amazing but the industry and society are structured in a way where it's enough for them to keep chugging along and even expanding

Meanwhile western animation is led by giant corporations who expect a 1000x return on every investment, but they gutted and got rid of all the ways of actually monetizing animation like games or toys or merch or physical releases, and are now wondering why they're losing money

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basically this, also Japanese animators can actually animate meanwhile most animation graduates end up just storyboarding

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The Japanese economy is run by Japanese people with a loyalty to Japan. The US economy is not run by Americans with a loyalty to America

What?

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>because we don't have a tightly intergrated system of cross-media marketing propped up by whales.
Largely because American media is all owned by the same 7 or 8 corporations.
You won't see something like a studio being founded specifically to adapt a single property by people who just happen to be passionate fans of the original.
Nowadays it's all megacorps making adaptations because they know it makes them more money.

>The Japanese economy is run by Japanese with a loyalty to Japan.
Do you also believe that loyalty to the economy should be rewarded with fair compensation?

OP claims that there are only 3 shows airing right now with new episodes. Clearly a useless cablefag.

I'd say a good reason as to why cartoons are dying while the anime industry is thriving is because western animation completely stopped doing certain genres, which are still extremely popular in Japanese animation
Namely action, adventure and thriller. People still want to watch that, but those barely even exist anymore in cartoons

I note that people in the animation industry spend a lot of time on Twitter and other places, like this board, defending and advertising their shows.

They do not actually love to draw, their online profiles tend to be barren of work. This animation industry is struggling to function at all with such awful candidates who chose their jobs out of careerism instead of the desire to be proficient; as well as their desire for an easy job.

They whine all the time about being criticized but it's the best thing to do if we want actually good animation from America and some other places heya. This is an absurd status quo which points to seriously toxic undercurrents to our animation culture

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Like 3 shows. Not exactly. If you don't count shows for preschoolers, it's around 4-6 more or less.

>I'd say a good reason as to why cartoons are dying while the anime industry is thriving
You cannot be this much of a faggot
Disney alone is bigger then the entire anime/manga industry combined

How many indie cartoons released in the last 3 years
>Have at least an 11 minute runtime per episode
>Release an episode more than once every 3 months/season
>Have a double digit number of episodes
>Doesn't exist solely as a pilot to pitch to big name studios so it can become a non-indie production.

Yes indie animation exists, but nobody gives a fuck about most indie animators anymore unless they get a cult following their project(s) like the Hazbin Hotel chick.

>Loyalty to the economy
I'm saying loyalty to the nation/their own people. It helps with economic recoveries when the people in charge are cut from the same cloth as the people at the bottom. When they aren't, you see a weak economy and actively crater it because you have no philia towards the nation you're running.

But user, the execs have been VERY clear that people just don't want to see action or thrillers, so they just can't be done.
DTVA is not however.
And a significant proportion of Disney's revenue comes from their themeparks and resorts, they've actually LOST money on Disney+.

I said cartoons, not Disney movies
Also I really hope you're not seriously trying to defend Disney, when it comes to creative animation these days

this they need more jap autism, like this dude youtube.com/watch?v=VKsG3E7TLl4&t=929s

I'd say a good reason it seems like it's dying is because of how they release a whole season at once.

Cartoons/animation are less and less popular these days cause they're forever seen as "for kids" and kids are more into internet and gaming trends.
Disney doesn't make its money from animated anything.

Japanese people like manga and anime and buy shit to support the industries, western comic/animation fans don't, it's really that simple

Everyone on Any Forums uses kim and reads storytimes instead of going through paid channels, and normies simply don't care about cartoons and comics at all, even kids are more preoccupied with watching ecelebs flaunt their wealth online

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Are you praising Japan for being an ethnostate? This is weird, dude.

>western comic/animation fans don't, it's really that simple
Well unfortunately for the current American animation industry, I am not a gay white guy or a liberal white woman, so why would I want to financially support an industry that doesn't seem interested in what I like?

japan intentionally produces trash and has 1 or 2 shows every season that are good

That also applies to America, only instead of 1 or 2 good shows a season it's like 2 or 3 good shows a year.

and how many of these anime are watchable?

Yes. There's nothing wrong with ethnostates. Nations deserve freedom of association, and while Japan has its problems, they're more fit to handle them on their own as a sovereign group of culturally united peoples than many multi-ethnic/cultural nations are.

No, but you're defending anime where only two shows were made the last 2 decades, substandard moeshit and substandard shonenshit

Shotgun strategy. Release a bunch of shit and some are bound to hit. I wouldnt mind if the West did the same thing.

I don't know how old you are but most people haven't supported comics/animation for decades now, animation almost died like 3 times since the turn of the century and comics haven't turned a profit since the 90s, it's clearly not a content/demographics thing

user, just say "I don't watch anime," this is just embarrassing.
No idea why white people have to be so insecure about anime.

the thing with anime it's that it's so varied and there is so much it's basically impossible not to find one or two that cater specifically to you and that you will end up loving. I have been watching cartoons for a long time and they always find a way to fuck the ones I like by either canceling them too soon or giving them abrupt awful endings.

The only incorrect thing is he should've said substandard isekai instead of substandard shonenshit. It's not 2006 anymore.

I'm 24, the last time the western animation industry was still producing things I cared about was when Regular Show was still on the air, with the only modern exceptions being stuff like Primal and Ballmasterz.
What reason would I have to financially support an industry that produces basically nothing that I'm interested in?

I appreciate your honesty.

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YOU cannot be THIS MUCH of a fucking FAGGOT. Projecting faggot.

How much money did you spend on Regular Show and associated stuffs? What about your peers?

>Regular Show
what a shit show

user, just say "I don't watch western animation," this is just embarrassing.
AFAIC i have not seen a single anime as good as Primal is the past 20 years

pokemon mogs the living shit out of Disney it's the second biggest IP