Why did Gravity Falls succeed while The Owl House and Amphibia failed?

Why did Gravity Falls succeed while The Owl House and Amphibia failed?

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Gravity Falls wasn't directly based on another similar show's basic premise and formula.
It was fresh as hell when it was new.

I guess it comes down to the what was happening around these shows when they came out. What was going on in Disney? How was the state of animation? etc...
I big portion of what made GF big was the lore, the show was practically made for fans to theorize and speculate, especially when they would throw out shit to make them. Also you have to realize just how old GF is, it's 8 years old. The world of animation was very different in 2012, too think that it would be only a few years until animation plummeted. People weren't fatigued with lore-based shows, nor were people really PC and on representation.
>TOW
I imagine they aren't promoting this as much, or the fact that there's an openly gay "couple".
>Amphibia
Disney didn't really care for this show I suspect, with the whole episode leaking fiasco showed it's clear they didn't share the same vision as the creators or the fanbase. Regardless if you hated the show, you can't deny that it did pull a sizeable fanbase who were in it for the long haul. This is along with OK KO, Mao Mao, Infinity Train, etc... are examples of companies actively shooting their own foot and crippling shows. Hell even SU got fucked over major because of CN's bipolar attitude. I also think there was a lack of promotion as well

TL;DR? GF succeeded because it was made during a time where shows like these were in its peak of popularity (critically and fanbase wise). Disney didn't mistreat the show or the cast/team, nor did people have burnout for this type of medium.

3 seasons > 2 seasons

How did Amphibia fail?

>infinity train

2nd season > 1st season

the other two seasons kinda sucked.the creativity and original concept are the only thing that carried the rest of the show, then it ended when it could have kept going. literally infinity train, but the show stops at 4 seasons? what a dumb decision to stop writing stories that could have easily been better than the last season's

Streaming services is the big difference
Like, you may think it’s something actually about the shows, but frankly that doesn’t matter half as much as the climates they were released in

Both Amphibia AND The Owl House have or will have more episodes than Gravity Falls, in what way did they fail in comparison? Amphibia got a full run and The Owl House is being given more time to wrap its shit up than Gravity Falls was.

Pure delusion, gravityfag

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Infinity Train didn't end, it got cancelled. They wanted another season at least.

>Gravity Falls succeed
I remember how assblasted people were about ending.

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Why were they assblasted?

>2 > 1
God I have a hard time with this one. They're both great, but Jesse and Lacey's relationship along with Sieve's growth, but seeing S1's tackle of mental health and therapy was really good (biased since I've been wanting a cartoon like this for so long), plus Atticus and One-One are great support characters (and I was genuinely surprised to be invested in One-One's backstory). S1 and 2 are both 8~9, with S1 edging a little bit more.

>S3
You have no idea how pissed I was at S4, for context I got into this show late asf (decided to pass IF since of the hype and Any Forums) but by the time I got hooked into it S4 had just wrapped. Season 3 was an awkward season for me. We get two great seasons that continue the story only to have one that drastically stops this flow in favor of a prequel season? I just found it really hard to get into because I couldn't "buy" their cult or number ideology since I knew too much. It felt too meh and simple for how the story would go, I at least appreciate what they did with Simon and how far they decided to go with his descent into madness and his death.

>S4
SEASON 4 IS PEAK DICK TO ME. As a continuation of the story, it does nothing for the overall plot seemingly repeating the same lesson over and over again or dragging it out way too long. Having two friends as the passengers was an interesting idea but they aren't fleshed out enough and only work when they're together. As a season this felt really meh with their "healing" feeling very rushed. The only thing saving this season was the fandom somehow thinking these two were gay unironically and would be canon or that it was supposed to set up season 5? Even if that were true (which I don't doubt), it would still be a shit season 4, if it was only good if and when we saw S5.
sorry for the long post (feel free to not read most of it or skim through)

>Because there were no consequences, Stan gains his memory back instantly despite it being a supposed sacrifice,
I guess stuff like that is why Anne’s a fucking homunculus now.

>3 seasons, 19 shorts, 8 chibi tales shorts
Amphibia failed? How did it fail exactly? Elaborate.

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>le power of friendship
>Stan being an ass for no reason
>Stan getting his memory back at instant
>Mabel being an egoistic cunt
>zero fucking info about Ford and his life behind the portal
>absolutely no consequences of events in general for Mabel and Dipper
Fuck Mabel. I hate her.

Will never forgive or understand CN's decision to do this? Especially with its newfound success on HBO Max possibly inspiring shows for this demographic proving it can pull in the money and the fans.
While it's clear in your post, you sound like a massive hater who doesn't understand the show at all.
>This shitty pretentious artsy fartsy show with a mediocre art style was created for obnoxious college students who think they are oh so smart.
Not at all lol, this was a show for people who wanted something deep and serious. If anything the show feels out of place for what CN had at the time or ever really (with only OTGW to match it).
> I respect Over the Garden Wall because it committed to its finale and concluding its story.
Agreed, but OTGW really didn't need to "commit" since the show always seemed to have the end in mind. I mean the story did conclude in a good way, but there were still side stories coming out in comic book format. The only difference is that the team knew when to call it quits and how to give some extra shit here or there
> I hated Infinity Shit because it felt like those bastard hacks wanted to keep it going forever to get free paychecks from Cartoon Network.
Arguably the biggest lie/red flag here. The creators always had a end in mind, they talked about the story had an end goal but CN cut it short on S4 with S5 ending things. You could've looked this up, but it seems you came to your own conclusion
>Hope this trash stays gone permanently.
Yet ended up being one of the biggest shit that CN did with the numbers, acclaim and popularity to back. It's really weird that you vehemently hate IF but love OTGW though.

I guess agree to disagree. If you didn't like it, you didn't like it, to each their own.
>Amphibia is shit with that Super Saiyan Anne trash.
Fair, I can see how "pop culture DBZ reference" would be annoying, especially in a Deus Ex Machina sort of way
>Dipper's main motivation in life as it turns out is to be like Dippy Fresh a loser slave to his bratty cunt of a sister.
Really? It was pretty clear that Dipper made up his mind to be like his Uncle and continue exploring the weirdness. I wouldn't call this his motivation as much as a set back for his overly clingy sister who I assume eventually grows up during HS
>picrel
Mabel inherits the Mystery shack while Dipper basically inherits Ford's will and life long mission

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I'm pretty sure the OP meant overall popularity/cultural impact, which is frankly difficult to measure at this point since both Amphibia and The Owl House are fairly new shows.

Overall, I think its just plain release date + people dismissing TOH and Amphibia as "woke". Still, the fact that their cancellation is getting Disney in deep shit is a bit impressive.

So this is a classic "OP knows shit" thread?

Pretty much

This is why I'm still split on the whole Anne sacrifice situation. Her death/rebirth has weight. But the way they put it in the last moment instead of forshadowing it make me kinda wish they never put it in there. Them risking losing the gems soo they can not get back home was enough for me.

Biggest reason was that the cryptic mystery shit was really just window dressing. People thought the Author reveal was like a good warmup and that there would be another grand conspiracy in S2 for Bill but there wasn't.

All the icon wheel characters just showed up together by circumstance rather than deliberately deciphering and seeking them out. Bill became a big stupid monster that chases people around rather than Machiavellian and esoteric.