This line of thinking ruined not only the MCU, but the the entertainment industry as a whole

This line of thinking ruined not only the MCU, but the the entertainment industry as a whole.

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Alright we can have quippy capeshit. Fine. What I don't understand is why we can't also have capeshit that tries to take itself seriously? Why are comics allowed to take themselves seriously and be genuinely dark at times but when it comes time for the movies it can only be PG-13, safe, and quippy?

Some of the coolest and edgiest shit I've ever read has even in superhero comics and I'll never get to see the movie equivalent because of soccer moms and man children.

Honestly the worst offender of this was Thor Ragnarok

Since Whedon's reputation is in the gutter now, why hasn't there been some defiance against his school of thought?

Because his formula makes Disney $1bn per movie. They did take out a lot of Whedon's trademark female sex appeal though, so now we have his dumb jokes without the cute girls in lingerie.

I completely agree with that. Try watching older good superhero movies, then watch a modern “funny” one. It’s crazy how unfocused and obnoxious modern superhero movies are.

I hated that movie. It took an epic and really cool storyline with all the potential in the world and made it a really annoying sitcom that couldn’t give a shit about its own stakes for 5 minutes.

movies making a billion at the box office?
even aquaman has this line of thinking and it was the first good dceu movie

>being different is le bad

you want to know the honest to god answer?
thats why no one reads comics. It as a medium takes itself to seriously or tries to force itself into a corner with being too woke or too righteous for its own good.

the movies that do work make tons of money because there's levity to the incredible or dangerous powers that are being used in these movies. Plus no one wants to see a movie and have a downer of an ending. Capeshit is made specifically as an escape for normies who want a little 2 hour breather from the real world.

What a hack, amiright?

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Balancing humor doesn't mean forcing quips into a scene where it doesn't belong.

What movie is the bottom from?

Why do you keep making these threads

nothing wrong with this line of thinking
the problem lies in the fact that the jokes are bad

Avengers 2012

The problem isn't necessarily that there's jokes in what would normally be tense or dramatic scenes, it's that the audience is given no fucking room to breathe from one emotion to the next. The pacing is all off, and while that can be funny for the tone of your movie, if it ends up being the tone of all of your fucking movies, then it gets old real fast. It's not like Marvel movies are always bad at this, in plenty of cases, the Guardians movies are actually good examples of properly pacing out your jokes or giving dramatic or emotional moments the room they need. Yondu's funeral has a couple of jokes in it, but it's after the tension has dissolved and the new scene's tone has been established. If Guardians 2 was written like the examples in OP, then the Guardians would have come across Peter and Yondu's corpse floating in space, gotten them onto the ship and Drax would have said something like "Oh no, is he ok?" followed by Peter giving a distressed, yet bewildered look.

You want good movies, goto a sun dance festival.

Movies by corporates are in it to make money and put butts in seat. Pg-13 quip fests have proven to be the most surefire way to do it. Doesn't help either that MCU's earlier attempts at movies with different attitudes failed flat on their face.

80% of the jokes in Marvel movies feel like the big budget equivalent of douchebags in a school play who are too embarrassed to do Hamlet properly so they try to make it comedic. Like the jock playing the king doesn't want to look lame wearing the costume so he asks if he can wear his sports Jersey. Even if the student director doesn't necessarily want to go along with it, he feels pressured by other students who don't get why he's being to uptight, and the spineless school staff just thinks that the student director needs to learn compromise. In the end you have a bunch of kids who clearly weren't interested in the subject matter getting a completely warped version of the subject matter because some weak ass Bradley wasn't comfortable letting his guard down. And now a bunch of students want to get into theater club because they think it's just doing comedy skits and the school principle is too disinterested in theater to care what happens to it.

>confusing medium and genre yet again
kill yourself you pseudointellecual retard

Both the lines in the OP were perfectly fine though

How?

>Peter and Yondu's corpse floating in space, gotten them onto the ship and Drax would have said something like "Oh no, is he ok?" followed by Peter giving a distressed, yet bewildered look.

Ironically, this exact type of thing happened in Peacemaker. After Chris shoots his dad he starts crying and Vigilante says "Weird time to start doing face exercises" and it completely shits all over the tension and impact of the scene.

I wanna watch that version of Hamlet now

Because he has nothing better to do with his life
None of us do at this very moment

You can't have dark without light. It's the contrast that makes it work. The line of thinking is correct but it's the wrong way around. Even Whedon himself once knew how to do it properly but has since forgotten.

Take Wash's death in Serenity. He panickedly jokes the whole way down to the planet through a life threatening situation. They make it down mostly safely, he's in the middle of one final quip and he suddenly dies. There are no more jokes, just his wife screaming.