Hey, Any Forums, I read this article on Kirby's supposed contribution on Spider-man's inception, saying the he helped do the first 3 issues. What do you guys think about this?
kirbymuseum.org
Also going to post Kirby's drawn interpretation of him.
Jack Kirby Spider-man
Ian Reyes
Gavin Lee
Julian Rivera
Jack Stewart
Christian Adams
Aaron Torres
Jordan Jackson
Juan Jenkins
Dominic Gonzalez
Charles Mitchell
Carson Fisher
This is not the Kirby Spider-Man I'm used to seeing
Michael Stewart
Cooper Wood
Kirby worship has gotten way out of hand. Ditko was his peer and did not need (and would not accept) any help drawing a new strip. I can't image Steve Ditko working from another artist's breakdowns or layouts; he had a healthy ego as large as Stan Lee's or Jack Kirby's.
Like most comics artists, Kirby tended to claim more credit than what was really due to him, especially later in life as he grew increasingly bitter and resentful.
And he always had trouble drawing Spider-Man, never being able to get the costume right,. Whenever he drew the character (as in the back-up story in SPIDER-MAN #8, the unusual step of having Ditko ink him was necessary to get Spidey acceptable. Stan didn't like this because he had other inkers available and Ditko's time was better used drawing original art.
Nathaniel Parker
How so?
From what I've seen, his spidey seems to be kind of inconsistent. I also remember reading that Romita SR corrected some of his after Romita nailed the basics of the design, so it could be that.
David Bell
I actually agree with your opinion. I was more perplexed by the idea of him claiming a character which he couldn't properly draw.
His design is weird and off-model but has a weird charm.
I guess I just wanted an excuse to post this.
Leo Foster
Hunter Thompson
Kirby seldom drew Spider-Man in sketches for fans or for promotional art unless specifically requested, He wasn't comfortable with the character and didn't feel Spidey was ":his,: unlike say Thor or the Thing.
As his sketches show, he had trouble getting the costume correct, it's such an obvious Ditko design.
Angel Murphy
This pic is literally the best he ever he managed to draw him without needing help and that is a good balance between his style and actual design.
Brandon Young
I'm actually curious, when did Kirby ever actually claimed he made Spidey? Was it a one-time interview or something like that?
Charles Campbell
This an example of Romita changing Kirby's art.
Nathan Garcia
The Jack Kirby Museum is like the Jack Kirby Collector magazine in that they go way overboard in trying to give Kirby credit for things he had nothing to do with. Their attitude borders on a quasi-religious cult at times,.
Carson Robinson
I belive it might have come from Kirby being the guy who drew the Amazing Fantasy #15 cover.
But I assume that he just drew the pose and the background and Ditko went over it, idk how to explain it but those inks are more Ditko inks than Kirby inks
David Martin
William King
Carson Richardson
Tyler White
Gavin Thomas
It was in several interviews, including I think the infamous Comics Journal interview where Gary Groth and Roz egged him on to get mad over his mistreatment.
Like all of us, his memory got more selective with age. We all tend to rewrite our memories to put ourselves in the best light and to fade away our mistakes,
Jose Moore
Seeing spidey without his famous chestpiece is so abysmal
Oliver Harris
And of course, Steve Ditko drew that cover first. He used an overhead angle. Stan didn't like it, asked Kirby to redraw it so the character looked more heroic. Ditko inked Kiby's pencils for what became the cover that was used.
Jonathan Fisher
Can you imagine a universe where we got Kirby's Spider-Man and Ditko's Fantastic Four.
What would that even look like
Bentley Morgan
>I was more perplexed by the idea of him claiming a character which he couldn't properly draw.
Kirby didn't do the Ditko design, but his own design drawn by him never surfaced.
Ditko claims pic related contains the Kirby design, which was supposedly rejected on the basis of being "too heroic".
It's also not in question that Kirby was assigned to the Spider-Man gig first, but Ditko was the final choice, again in Ditko's words.
Xavier Bell
>It was in several interviews, including I think the infamous Comics Journal interview where Gary Groth and Roz egged him on to get mad over his mistreatment.
Sheesh, I knew he was badly mistreated, but eggim hik on doesn't sound like would help him too much.
Kevin Reyes
Anthony Robinson
Oliver Sanders
Joe Simon also said that Kirby's design for Spider-Man looked a lot like Captain America, so Ditko's recollection is probably very accurate.
Nathaniel Stewart
Joseph Kelly
Gary Groth was very biased and, to be honest, controversy help sell the Comics Journal. The more worked up fans got, the more copies got sold. "Yellow Journalism."
Ethan Smith
Ditko is also implicitly agreeing that the Spider-Man name, as posited by Kirby, came from Kirby/Simon.
I wouldn't say at all Kirby worship's out of hand, while I agree that his rendition of Ditko's Spider-Man was ofen wonky. Actually reading into multiple sources basically confirms Kirby's claims *in relation to Spider-Man* but not other claims in the Groth interview, where you could argue that Groth and Roz lead Kirby into certain answers
Adrian Myers
Nathan Howard
This one feels like lDitko just drew here.
Anthony Baker