Will he ever get a spotlight?

>Uhh yes it does.
How? Being the smart Robin doesn't mean much when every Robin's smart.

No, Ra's has also called Dick and Jason by detective.

By that logic being the a Robin who’s good at fighting doesn’t mean much because they’re all good at it.

Yeah, it doesn't. What point are you trying to make?

Jason was pure hackery to fellate him. He’s done nothing to earn that moniker.

>Tim is explicitly a better detective than the other Robins though; he's the only one that Ra's has referred to by the honorific "Detective" like he does with batman.
>He has that as a unique trait, exploit that in plotlines.

Tim is definetly the real Batman successor. As calm, hes collected, he thinks. Batman knows this. Because Batman is a cold detective.

Its definetly not Dick, whos real talent is physcality first. Its not edge lord muderer Damian, who was not event meant to be a real character and was supposed to be killed off.

Tim evened donned a costume similar to Batman. Things were going great, seeing Tim a lot this was the logical step, especially considering all the years we saw him, even me growing up. It was really cool. He was also the most independent when Bruce died and everyone was scrambling.

Then nu52 happened, with Scott Lobdells fuckery and stupid look. Things get worse each reboot, and he literally sucks cocks now. Character is ruined. And its kind of weird too see innocence ruined... especially someone who was depicted as a teen who I always saw. These fucking weirdos are sexualizing young characters and turning them into gay sexual deviants. But Zoomers dont know this or care.

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That every Robin, no matter how similar they might be have a niche that writers should strive to present. Bad writers always do this. Adding qualities to others which diminish another characters place.

>But Zoomers dont know this or care.
user, TimKon is an old ship.

Being the smart Robin isn't a niche. That's like saying being the fast member of the Flash family is a niche.

Times change user, he had his spotlight now it comes to an end.

Don't worry, eventually others currently popular will come to an end. Just that Tim's time is done.

Sad, but it's reality. I'll miss his Robin solo series.

Tim was the glue who held the Batfamily together when it was in danger of falling apart several times. It’s really annoying how recent years and revisionist history made it out that he’s superfluous.

Half the reason anyone remembers Tim still exists is because of fujos who want to see him get fucked in the ass by half-Kryptonian dick.

>Half the reason anyone remembers Tim still exists is because of fujos who want to see him get fucked in the ass by half-Kryptonian dick.

Hey now.....there was Batman cartoon, and Teen Titans show (I still remember back then people thought it was Tim, yeah that was a thing)

Jason isn’t smart, Damian isn’t smart. Dick is clever not analytical like Tim. Tim has consistently been portrayed as someone who rivals Bruce as a detective. Tim was the one to figure out his identity on his own and he fashioned himself almost completely on his own before becoming Robin. But of course you wouldn’t know that. You’re brought up by a Tim who was in no good books.

>You’re brought up by a Tim who was in no good books.
Then what good books is Tim in?

And half the reason anyone remembers Damian is because of shotafags who want to ship him with Superboy. And Jason is liked by edgelords and fags want to fuck Dick. See we can all be reductive about the Robins.

Books older than you.

Such as?

yeah it doesn't
they're all capable fighters and its a trait that only really matters if they're both fighting each other
its cool flavor, but its not something you can add into a plot

Yes he is

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>its cool flavor, but its not something you can add into a plot
Wrong. How good characters are in a fight can dictate what route you take with them. A lesser fighter like Tim wouldn’t do as well against a room full of thugs like Cass would, so you come up with ways he gets around that, highlighting his strengths compared to another character.

Truth is Tim doesn't have good books. He's got passable books. Dixon run, Yost run, David's YJ. Fun light reads, but not must-reads.

Dude, I like the character.

But most of his stories is just:
>The writer forgot my character development, so I have to be a major douche again.

Nope but it’s cute you think that,

any comicbook character could clean a room of thugs given the right scenerio

Cass uses her martial arts
Tim needs to use traps

that doesn't change a plot that much

You can all blame Superboy Prime for starting the chain reaction.

>Punches reality
>Brings back Jason Todd for one arc
>This causes a chain reaction that eventually leads to Jason being brought back permanently
>Thus making Tim redundant because Jason was the reason Tim became Robin

Looks like SB Prime still triumphs

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Not everything has to be TDKR or Claremont era X-men. Also Tim is a good SUPPORTING character. He was Robin for many years during those days, and he did his thing. And I would take Dixon and YJ as good books.

Jason doesn't have any good books
Dick's only good book is him as Batman

No. Because how someone does fight informs how they approach a situation. Tim is less likely to rush head first, while Cass would. That can affect how the story moves forward.

thats still just basically flavor

Not if Jason remained a bad guy and constant reminder of Bruce’s failure. It makes 0 sense why he isn’t being locked up for all his killings. It’s as bad as when Peter let Eddie go when he was a crazy lunatic as Venom.

You can have him be the middle man between Bruce and the rest of the family and Batman teams

even with how shit he was i liked the idea of him keeping in contact with Jason in nu52

Not really. Only if you let it be. That’s like saying the plot wouldn’t change drastically if you replaced Batman with Superman. Extreme, yes, but it is an example of how power and skill sets can alter a story.

Too bad Jason is an anti-hero now, because he sells better that way.

Jason wasn’t the same character he was when he came back, so I don’t see why Tim should be affected.

No, what made Tim redundant was nuking Bludhaven, so Dick had nowhere to go but move back to Gotham and help Bruce again.

He was almost there when Ras was complementing his detective skills but then he lost all of his appeal.

Batman and Superman don't have similar settings or even movesets
of course switching them would be weird

Cass and Tim are in the same street-level setting and even if one is a better fighter, they still work in a street level moveset

Maybe if Tim took his shirt off more often, he'd get the spotlight.

Found Bernard

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>make Tim like guys
>twinkify Bernard
>make them date
>no fanservice
What a cocktease.

Controversial Opinion: Tim should quit being a robin and become a legit cop working his way up as a detective and then the next commissioner.

Would you want them to be drawn like traps, and getting into fan-servicey situations?

It won't work.
>GCPD is filled with dirty cops
>every good GCPD cop who isn't Gordon quits and goes freelance, legit cops are a glitch in Gotham's system
>fans already associate Barbara with becoming the future commissioner thanks to the cartoons

Turning Tim into a cop would be the final nail in the coffin. It'd just turn him into the by the books Robin who always plays it safe, and readers are so used to the idea of Gotham cops being corrupt or incompetent that they know Tim's mission is a doomed one.

>Barbara becomes commissioner
>Tim becomes a private eye

Would be fine and allow some writers to ape noir for Gotham stories.

You mean like how Batman's mission to rid Gotham of crime and corruption is a doomed one?

Tim trying to change the Gotham PD from the inside would be pottery

Even Tim's admitted Dick is a better detective. Tim is a prodigy and will likely be better by virtue of his obsessive nature, but that's exactly why he shouldn't be Batman's successor. Its not a good end for him at all

That's the point. It would just double the problem.

Why the fuck would Tim become a cop in a city where vigilantism is accepted? That imposes more restrictions on what he can and cannot do.

Tim is wound tight, his saying Dick is better would be in-character regarding his formal humble nature.

Also, Tim becoming some sort of official law would mirror Jason being the outlaw Batman. Writers have been distilling each hanger on to Batman's coat-tails into a splinter of Bruce Wayne's facets and character traits for a while now anyway. So it works, but DC's writers can't into real crime drama and the audience for Batman would never go for Law and Order: Gotham style books anyway.

Ok what if Tim became a Lantern?
Green or Blue or something.
We have too many Earth Lanterns so we must kill some. Anyone but Hal and Guy.

>Batfamily
>Being a super

user, no, the Batfamily is a brand for humans with no powers.

Eventually you'll get people bitching about Tim was way better as a Bat with no powers.

Id be fine with him becoming a stripper for an arc or two

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Private Eye Tim is a better future for him than cop. Dick being a cop already sort of makes it seem like a retread.

Private Eye Tim would just be Twink Question.

Its a risk. But I think of it more of sending off a boat form Gotham to space.

> user, no, the Batfamily is a brand for humans with no powers.

Duke as powers.

Yeah but its just not the same. I dont expect anyone to feel how I feel or anyone whos seen Tim for a while. It was so cool to see Robin slowly change into the heir to the throne. It started with his first all red costume. He had a scalloped cape, one solid color body suit, trunks, wrist blades, the same boots, you could see was maturing into Batman. It just looked so cool while still being Robin. Then he was also doing taboo things like hanging around Ras. But to me that was just growth of the character finally seeing things with his own conscious eyes.

And he had one of the most important, if not the most important role when Batman died. Because Tim was the only one who believed Batman wasnt dead, which goes to show how similar he thinks to Bruce, both always looking for a conspiracy. He was on a personal mission to find clues of his survival as Red Robin, while Dick, Alf, and Damian were doing their own things as stand ins and the rest of the Bat family and moved on.

The only story I enjoyed somewhat was when there was a future story of adult Tim who took over as Batman. And he was pretty much paranoid and bonkers, similar to Batman but nuts. That was the only recent story I enjoyed and that was years ago.

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>Tim quits being Batman's sidekick for being girl Question's sidekick instead
?????????????????

Terry also has powers. Being a juiced up clone of Batman is a powerset.

What if it's Tim that Bruce chooses to be the head of Wayne Enterprises as he gets older? It would effectively get rid of him now that he's redundant and give the character something to do. That or he becomes Batman's lawyer.

Lmao. Dick is brilliant. He is the one who mentored Tim in the first place. The official DC files called Dick the world's second-best detective after Batman. Dick was the genius of the Teen Titans, untangling Donna's origin and solving America's Most Wanted, while Tim was failing history class.

Yeah, fanboy Tim figured out his #1 idol's identity all on his own--just like Cassandra Cain and Duke Thomas did.

And Oracle is the best at computers.

The entire Bat clan's schtick is being the smart one. If that's all there is to Tim, of course he won't break out. Whine all you want about Jason Todd getting jerked off, but Tim Drake is the one who needs all the other characters to act like idiots so he can be special.

What about turning the dichotomy between Tim a Jason on its head by making Tim the one bat disciple that goes full villain? and not just as future-joker this time, make it willing.

>will he ever get a spotlight
Not with that yee-yee ass haircut, he won't.

>If that's all there is to Tim, of course he won't break out.

He was doing just fine till the reboots and Grant Morrison created a cluster fuck. DC just doesnt know what to do with so many fucking tons of Robins.

Him being the serious one, while Dick was the rebel/his own man, Jason a retard, and Damian just some kid Batman has to tolerate because hes his son would have kept working. When he was having disagreements with Damian those stories were good. Show him the one whos as serious as Batman. Its just the cluster fuck DC is, and woke gay gimmicks thats done him in now for no reason when as soon as the 2nd issue hes shown being with Spoiler.

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>He was doing just fine
lol, no he wasn't. They killed off his dad, his girlfriend, turned him into a wreck, threw him to fucking Geoff Johns, all before Morrison showed up.

Yeah but there was still only one Robin and he has all of his own stories and characteristics. Unlike now where he is literally nothing. Ill take that change any day over anything now. And I didnt care for his father dying because it gave more focus to the character on his own, and made him similar to Bats.

Even during the Morrison nonsense Tim was pulling Batman shady plans. There was so much to explore. Wouldve loved to see an altercation between Dick and Tim over their manner of doing things.

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>Wouldve loved to see an altercation between Dick and Tim over their manner of doing things.

And to prove that being Batman isnt always about being nice or likable, which Dick is. Its about total discipline.

Theres so many things they could do with Tim and Bruce. Have them be the only two really know how to play the Batman/Worlds Greatest Detective game. To the point that nobody in the Bat family trusts them.

Theres so many stories you can tell, with Tim being the dedicated one. Its really just the reboots that threw him into limbo and took away his traits. From bizarre complicated origin stories, and like 4 ugly costumes after nu52.

>To the point that nobody in the Bat family trusts them.
That's just Damian.

>That's just Damian.
His gimmick is nobody trusts him because he always does something extreme and stupid. Not because hes got 10 secret plans and doesnt budge on his philosophy.

>doesnt budge on his philosophy.
What philosophy does Tim have that isn't shared by the rest of the Bat-Family? He's not the autistic 10D chessmaster you think he is, user.

Then why did Jor-El kidnapped him if wasn't this 10D chessmaster hero?

They obviously all have their gimmicks. He was clearly written a certain way especially during the time. Maybe if you bothered to read any of the comics, which Any Forums doesnt do. Robin is supposed to be like Batman with s different attitude, but same in action.

Because the Jor-El in that event was obviously crazy.

You didn't answer the question. What philosophy does Tim have that isn't shared by the other Bat-members?

He may have been crazy, but they clearly chose to use Tim out of everyone for a reason for the story, being within his character. And it was in Detective Comics, not Action or a Superman comic. Meaning its obviously written with Bat family focus first in mind, not Superman characters.

But we can ignore the top scientist of Krypton chose Tim has no significance at all.

Try reading the thread. If you cant figure it out we dont need to talk.

Damian is a rape baby because Morrison is a lazy hack

>still not answering the question
user, if it's this difficult for you to answer a simple question, then maybe you haven't read any of these comics you claim to read and you're just grandstanding.

Tim doesn't have a unique philosophy and that user knows it. Tim isn't meant to be a complex character. He's a blank slate for kids to self-insert to so they can feel like they're helping Batman fight crime.