I want to get more into a very specific sound. I am looking for albums that blend together pop punk, power pop, emo, and alternative rock. They don't have to be all the four genres at once. I love post-hardcore, melodic hardcore, skate punk, and punk rock (trad and updated), but I am not usually into the pop punk adjacent genres. I really hate emo-pop, but I like emocore, some midwest emo, and trad emo. I like both deathrock and horror punk, but hate the post-punk influenced gothic rock. I want albums that are not too political, too serious, and too juvenile / frat party. Let's have:
* Green Day: I love Dookie, Insomniac, nimrod., and Warning:, but I don't like anything since they did American Idiot.
* Ramones: I love their first four albums, the Ritchie Ramone albums, but I hate End of the Century, Pleasant Dreams, Subterranean Jungle, Adios Amigos, etc. I think Brain Drain and Mondo Bizarre are great, but Dee Dee is terribly missed.
* The Offspring: I have a love and hate relationship. I enjoy anything from their debut to Americana, but the rest suck. Smash gets all the buzz, but their debut, Ignition, and Ixnay on the Hombre have bangers.
* Bad Religion: No Control, Against the Grain, Suffer, and Generator are my jams.
* Blink 182 - I can't stand their albums, but I LOVE their self titled, Box Car Racer, and +44. Please more like those and less like Enema of the State.
* Sum 41: Please more like Chuck, less like Half Hour of Power.
* Rancid: And Out, Let's Go, Life Won't Wait, and self titled are my jams.
* AFI: Please more like The Art of Drowning, Sing the Sorrow, Black Sails, and December underground, less like Answer That.
* Millencolin: Pennybridge, Life on a Plate, Kingwood, and Tiny Tunes are my jams.
* Chumbawamba: Go ahead. Find me a punk band who can put out Anarchy, WYSIWYG, Shhh, and Un after Pictures of Starving Children or Nevermind the Ballots.
* Weeb space; more like: Wowaka, Number Girl, Bloodthirsty Butchers, Eastern Youth, Plastic Tree (97-05).
I want to get more into a very specific sound. I am looking for albums that blend together pop punk, power pop, emo...
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I have a confession to make.
The truth about "emo" is that most of what is accepted here isnt really emo, it's some form of indie rock. People here point back to Cap'n Jazz and Sunny Day Real Estate as the progenitors of everything they listen to today, which is true, but they are not progenitors of emo. They are pioneers in college indie rock (and in SDRE's case, mainstream indie rock [yeah, they were on MTV in 96 and half the members went to Foo Fighters, look it up]) incorporating influence from post-hardcore and emo.
There's a reason this stuff is called "post-emo indie rock," or as it has been branded thanks to a handful of early 90s bands no one remembers any more who were from the actual midwestern United States and actually played emo (including Gauge, Current, Ordination of Aaron, Endpoint, Split Lip, Friction, and Chino Horde), "Midwest emo." The reason is because it isn't really emo and needs to be distinguished, kind of how 'metalcore' came about when that scene stopped being primarily hardcore and moved to metal/alternative.
In a similar sense, the post-emo/midwest/indiecore scene moved away from hardcore in the mid 90s, and was seen as a new, post-emo movement, hence the name and ridicule from hardcore bands. Meanwhile, I doubt anyone who lists Mineral or American Football as their favorite 90s "emo" bands could name any actual mid/late 90s emo. Sucks cause there's so much good shit: Traluma, Chocolate Kiss, Stratego, Edaline, Twelve Hour Turn, Unionsuit, Blue Water Boy, Still Life, Thumbnail, Four Hundred Years, Assfactor 4, Sleepytime Trio, Amber Inn, The Deadwood Divine, Bread and Circuits, The Red Scare, Metroschifter, Radio Flyer, The Hal Al-Shedad...I could go on.
You see, the fake/real emo dichotomy is nowhere near nuanced enough to capture the layers of relation to emo that all the music referred to as "emo" has. That's a pretty annoyingly confusing sentence so lemme break it down - there are four types of emo:
• REAL REAL EMO (emotive hardcore. Usually melodic hardcore punk with minor influences from post punk and what would become, with emocore's help, post-hardcore indie rock; from Rites of Spring and Moss Icon to Walleye and Falling Forward to The Shivering and End on End to Slow Code and GIVE. Emotional hardcore punk rock music)
• FAKE REAL EMO (non-hardcore music that gets considered "real emo" by pretentious middle class dorks who have no clue. Usually indie rock, math rock, or post rock that is influenced by the instrumentation, composition, and/or dynamics of emo; from The Van Pelt and Boys Life to Penfold and Boilermaker to Mock Orange and No Knife to empire! empire! and My Heart to Joy to Hightide Hotel and Oso Oso. Post-emotional hardcore punk rock music)
• REAL FAKE EMO (non-hardcore music that has just as much influence from emo as FAKE REAL emo, but because it's not sad, mellow, and somber [cough or not rock music] is refuted as "emo" by most twinkle dorks. Usually post-hardcore, alternative rock, or melodic hardcore/pop punk that takes from all the same places as indiemo; from Samiam and Trusty to Sense Field and Grade to Seaweed and Kill Holiday to The Movielife and Boys Night Out to Title Fight and Polar Bear Club to Self Defense Family and Narrow Head. Post-emotional hardcore punk rock and "emo-adjacent" [meaning, diy bands who played shows with emo bands in the underground] music)
• FAKE FAKE EMO (non-hardcore, non-emo related music that still gets referred to as such by the mainstream/anyone who thinks emo is synonymous with "sad." Can be anything but most commonly indie rock, because people don't understand the difference between releasing a chart-topping record that influences the whole landscape of music, including the underground and therefore emo; and actually being related to the underground DIY hardcore punk movement known as emo. Take your pick; Weezer, Boys Like Girls, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Modest Mouse, Julien Baker, Pinegrove, Linkin Park, The Cure, Morrissey/Smiths, blink-182, Atreyu, Simple Plan, AFI, My Chemical Romance after their first album (especially Black Parade, a pop rock album), The Front Bottoms)
If you ask me, artists like lil peep, Wicca Phase Springs Eternal, nothing,nowhere, shinigami, and LiL Lotus all fit perfectly into category three, REAL FAKE EMO. These are all DIY artists who are inspired by the same "emo" bands as every revival/sparklepunk/sadwank indie band that gets jerked to death here, but because it only comes through in aesthetic and lyricism as opposed to...oh wait, no, thats exactly the same as pretty much all modern emo -- it is only related to Real Emo (aka REAL REAL EMO) via aesthetic and lyrics - if it's actually related to any degree. The sound is not even kind of close and isn't rooted in hardcore at all. Every twinkle-centric band you love is rooted in indie rock because twinkles dont come from hardcore; every band with a sing along chorus is a pop band. How are you gonna tell me that indie pop artists with sad yelling are emo, but indie trap artists with sad yelling aren't?
TL;DR - here's your ultimatum, indie dorks: either both American Football and Lil Peep are emo, or neither of them are.
Your sad indie rock is not emo either.
"Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
Now that we got the copy and pastas out of the way. Please serious recs based on the OP.
Try some of these you might like them.
Farside is a pretty underrated melodic hardcore band with a really badass guitar sound.
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Frodus is severely underrated, they have that very ominous, cold, sounding post hardcore style from the 90s
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I think old jimmy eat world is also underrated
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Hot Water Music is good too
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I know you're that severely autistic reddit mod from r/emo but you're actually correct
* The Monroe Doctrine is my favorite Farside album.
* And We Washed Our Weapons is my favorite Frodus album, but I tend to hate math-y riffs unless it sounds like Downy.
* I like Clarity and Static Prevails, but I can't stand anything or anyone that has Bleed American as their sound template.
* Caution is my favorite Hot Water Music album.
Is this a bot programmed to have terrible taste?
I'm a tiny bit confused, you say you hate emo pop but I'd thoroughly put Green Day, Sum 41 and AFI under that label, and ESPECIALLY Blink's self titled and stuff like +44. Seems like a lot of the stuff you've listed has a real strong melody - I'd firmly put The Offspring, Blink, Green Day, etc. into "pop sensibility" territory.
For punk stuff that you've listed as enjoying, I'd recommend NoMeansNo's Wrong - really fucking well played and insanely catchy punk: youtube.com
Redirect your energy towards prog-influenced emo. There was an entire landscape of bands throughout the early 2000s signed to labels like Equal Vision that blended influence from prog shit and it was killer. Calling this stuff "emo" can definitely be a stretch at times but I think it's got a bit of a closer line in the water than most stuff.
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i'll also post a starter pack i posted to /sp/ one time during the middle of the week in an /nfl/ general
ah fuck the line about casey crescenzo was supposed to go near the receiving end of sirens video. also my bad, this list was actually for screamo and post-hardcore, but nevertheless it's a half decent intro to a lot of the harder sounds of the genre while still retaining some good melody
here's a starter pack anons
Screamo (meaning Skramz)
>Orchid
>Jeromes Dream
>pg. 99
>Saetia
>iwrotehaikusaboutcannabalisminyouryearbook
>Swing Kids
post-hardcore (such a fucking hard genre to nail down)
The Classics:
>refused - the shape of punk to come
>converge - jane doe
>at the drive in - in/casino/out
>rites of spring - s/t
>drive like jehu - yank crime
>the jesus lizard - goat
Modern Staples:
>the blood brothers - burn piano island, burn
>the fall of troy - doppelganger
>touche amore - is survived by
>every time i die - from parts unknown
>q and not u - no kill no beep beep
gettin' crossover w/ it
>the sound of animals fighting - the tiger and the duke
>hail the sun - new age filth
>my chemical romance - three cheers for sweet revenge (better than black parade, prove me wrong)
>funeral for a friend - hours
metalcore (my tastes eschew towards math metal & prog metal - so here ya go)
>between the buried and me - colors
>the dillinger escape plan - calculating infinity (really anything by them, fantastic fucking band)
>ERRA - s/t
>car bomb - 'w^w^^w^w'
>animals as leaders - the joy of motion
>vein - errorzone
We used to have a dedicated /emoe/ bot.
* I like nimrod. and Warning: more than Kerplunk, Dookie, and Insomniac era Green Day, but I would not call those albums emo pop. I don't think '90s Green Day was ever emo pop or proto emo pop. I see them as more "fun" than "angst." They did not start being called emo pop until American Idiot which coincided with the emo pop blowing up in the US, and I largely diss their post Warning: output for being too serious and too political leaned.
* I would not call Sum 41 emo pop, either, as their first albums were more juvenile in the vein of pre self titled Blink 182. Chuck and Blink 182 are arguably emo pop tied, but they are the only albums I like from their output. +44 and Box Car Racer are side projects that don't represent their main and usual sound, emo pop or not.
* AFI's first albums were more "fun" than "angst," they started to experiment with gothic rock and horror punk in 1999 and that led to Sing the Sorrow, their most emo pop sounding, but the albums after that are not very emo, nor horror punk and gothic rock, like the two before it, or skate punk and melodic hardcore as the pre 1998 albums. It is a huge exception.
* NoMeansNo are great, but I am not looking for post-hardcore, as I already listen to plenty of post-hardcore, and I know the genre and its adjacent ones, all too well like emocore and screamo shit.
* The Second Stage and In Keeping Secrets are among the best Coheed and Cambria albums that I heard, but I am not a big fan of prog, rock opera, or concept albums, emo or not. It is why I don't like American Idiot or The Black Parade shit.
* Tiger and the Duke is the best The Sound of Animals Fighting album that I heard, but I am not into that kind of shit.
* Between the Heart and the Synapse is the best The Receiving End of Sirens album that I heard, but I am not into that kind of shit. x2
* First Temple is the best Closure in Moscow album that I heard, but I am not into that kind of shit. x3
I am not really looking for post-hardcore, emocore, screamo, math rock, mathcore metalcore, etc. I know plenty of those and post-hardcore is my favorite punk genre. I am looking for more artistic and varied (if you will) pop punk shite, like nimrod. and Warning from Green Day, Blink 182's self titled (or +44 and Box Car Racer songs), Chuck by Sum 41, or thr alternative rock influenced emo (pop or not) like Sing the Sorrow by AFI. I don't usually listen to pop punk or skate punk unless it has been crossed over with alternative rock VA comps like The Offspring or Bad Religion, most of my punk diet goes towards post-hardcore, emocore, trad emo, horror punk, deathrock, and some gothic rock. I do melodic hardcore, skate punk, and pop punk, only when it is the varied and ambitious type. I hate juvenile and frat boy pop punk, which is the kind I associate with Blink 182 and Sum 41 not usually doing albums like the self titled or Chuck. Or Green Day known for doing albums like Kerplunk, Dookie, Insomniac, American Idiot, etc. when it is nimrod. and Warning: what I like them best for.
>I am looking for more artistic and varied (if you will) pop punk shite
Ok that makes a little more sense now. Like these pop-punk reaches towards artistic fulfillment.
I mean in reality Is a Real Boy might be the most varied and intricate pop punk record ever released: youtu.be
Motion City Soundtrack is one of the most artistically-minded and emotionally deep bands to ever play pop-punk, Commit This to Memory is still really fantastic and pretty poignant: youtu.be
If you like the +44 and Box Car Racer stuff from Blink projects I'd also listen to Folie a Deux by FOB if you've never given it too hard of a listen, the most mature and IMO best they've ever sounded: youtu.be
I've always found NFG's Catalyst to be a pretty ambitious record too with a lot of catchy stuff on it: youtu.be
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You might like ZOX:
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* Is A Real Boy is my best Say Anything.
* Commit This to Memory is my best Motion Picture Soundtrack.
* Try as I may, I could never get into Fall Out Boy, I heard your album before, and I walked away from it with a mixed opinion.
* Sticks and Stones is my favorite New Found Glory, but I do agree I could use more artistic and ambitious, easycore and power pop adjacent albums as well.
These last four are more along the lines of what I am looking, pop punk and melodic punk that can get angsty, but without turning into whiny and mopey. Pop punk and melodic punk that can carry many ideas and influences to it.
Here is your (you), don't spend it all in one place.
I listened to The Wait in the past, and it was not my thing. But I appreciate your artist suggestion.
