Is grunge real? Isn’t it just rock music with the musicians dressing a certain way?

Is grunge real? Isn’t it just rock music with the musicians dressing a certain way?

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No nirvana and mudhoney seem themselves as punk bands but MTV seen alice in chains and called it grunge

grunge is the middle ground between punk rock and alternative rock

Thought it was just punk but slowed and sludge because of the heroin and downers

This desu

I mean it's all "just rock music". I don't know what you mean.

OP doesn't know what a subgenre is

Honestly, I basically think of grunge as the punkier, lighter, more melodic brother of sludge metal.

The point of genres is to give an idea of what something sounds like, and there is a grunge sound. It's that big, melodic, somewhat raw sound that's sort of part way between 80s punk/hardcore, early heavy metal, and 70s hard rock. Some lean more in one direction than others - there were garage punk and post-hardcore-leaning bands like Nirvana, Mudhoney, and Seaweed, there were bands that bordered on sludge like Tad, Soundgarden, and Skin Yard, and then there were some that were basically 70s hard rock revivalists like Pearl Jam, Mother Love Bone, Alice in Chains... but they all shared a kind of sensibility.

How can grunge be real if our ears aren't real

no, you meant "goth" music

>they all shared a kind of sensibility.
and what sensibility was that

its arguably more rock and guns n roses
especially given how much shit fills their albums

ever heard of a sub genre?

jeh neh say quah

>describe it to me

nigger

It doesn't matter if it is real or distinct sonically. Because the perception of it being real led to lots of new bands and trends occuring.
On a related note, I did read about one of the early Seattle grunge photographers associated with Sub Pop would take gig shots at specific angles to make the crowds look really full in order to hype up the scene and get more people interested.

grunge in it's purest form is way closer to hard and glam rock than punk and this makes the grunger seethe, all of Malfunksun and Green River is just Motley Crue shit with sub par recordings

>Grunge
TAD
Mudhoney
Green River
Hole's first album
L7
some of early Melvins sometimes it's down to individual songs
Bleach by Nirvana

>Not grunge
Soundgarden
Alice In Chains
Pearl Jam

I would say grunge is definitely a specific punk sub genre. It features nasty nasally screaming vocals, lots of distortion, dirty or grungy sounding slow grooves and noisy guitar solos. It's just hyper specific and the bands that were in that style were few and the actual era lasted a very short time. The bands were influenced by noisy freaky punk bands like Scratch Acid and post punk bands like U-Men which had an aggressive singer.

I'm sure there's someone who could describe it way better than me though.

if soundgarden and melvins aren't grunge then "grunge" is truly a meaningless term.

Soundgarden are a metal band with major Led Zeppelin influence and Melvins are by and large an experimental metal band. I don't know what you want from them but they aren't grunge.

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