what is the most heaviest doom from the beginning of it? 70s proto-doom and early 80s recommendations anyone?
Early Doom
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Mason Morales
I dunno about the heaviest but my favorite is Candlemass
Jayden Johnson
early doom predates metal, you can hear more of the influence/reaction to prog and punk in it than anything "heavy"
Nicholas Russell
this shit is 1973 and it’s way heavier, the heaviest shit bobby liebling ever did, heavier than pentagram (which I don’t really think is that heavy can someone please prove me wrong?)
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Lincoln Miller
Listen to the Song Black Sabbath by the Band Black Sabbath off of the Album Black Sabbath. Das it meng
Brandon Robinson
anyone else think sabbath bloody sabbath and sabotage don’t get enough credit? I think they’re way better than vol 4. the first time I heard that riff kick in at the end of sabbath bloody sabbath it scared the shit out of me as a kid
Adrian King
Eh, it's still low-rent Sabbath with admittedly heavy/raw demo quality. If they got into a studio, it would be really toned down because engineers wouldn't let you make something sound this 'bad.' But I don't think it beats Under the Sun for sheer heft.
Nicholas Price
y'all need some Trouble in your life
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Charles Nelson
If you're counting 87 as early and looking for heaviest the answer is The Melvins' Gluey Porch Treatments. They mostly played in punk circles, but so did Saint Vitus and literally nothing else at the time sounded like Eye Flies. Honorable mention here goes to the B-side of Black Flag's My War.
As for heavy pre-Candlemass protodoom, try:
>Witchfinder General - Death Penalty
>Cirith Ungol - King of the Dead
>Pentagram - Relentless
>Budgie - s/t
>and while it's also not metal per-se but Generic Flipper was ridiculously ahead of its time for sludgy detuned rock
Jacob Watson
I never found this band to be very doomy and I wanted to like it but maybe I’m listening to the wrong stuff?
Budgie riffs are top tier
80s italo-doom is very good, check this out anons
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Juan Anderson
Their first album was the best one. I never cared for the stuff with their second vocalist.
Xavier Allen
The first saint vitus album gets my vote
Nathan Perry
it’s heroin-fueled sabbath and I love it. there had to be more unheard of bands from back then composed of drug addicts larping as iommi and ozzy
Joseph Baker
pentagram is not proto doom and "relentless" is a re-release that came out in the 90s.
Robert Morris
I don’t like the vocals at all on born too late in fact I think they ruin it for me
Cooper Rogers
seriously other than forever my queen where is all this early pentagram shit that’s allegedly so heavy? kiss wanted to buy some songs from bobby and if you listen to them “starlady” is one of them I forgot what others, they just sound like kiss. a lot of the material I have heard is typical 70s rock and by the time the self-titled album was released in the 80s, which would go on to be re-released as relentless, that shit had already been done. it’s a good album but nothing innovative
Zachary Ramirez
this is "typical 70s rock" to you? you're trippin
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Tyler Campbell
that was released in the mid 80s not the early 70s
Ryder Carter
And?
Dominic Torres
maybe reread what you responded to initially
Hunter Hill
if you could show me these early 70s pentagram recordings that allegedly give sabbath a run for their money I would love to hear them