Punk always had been anti fascist. Dead kennedys released “Nazi Punk Fuck Off,” MDC released “John Wayne was a Nazi,” Fat Mike was proudly shouting at Vans Warped Tour, “We are supporting anti swastika tattoo!”
But these posers are supporting fascist country; supporting Ukraine with ITS azov batallion. They are justifying the pogrom toward people of Donestk and luhanks.
Its so sad seeing what punk movement has become.
Pussy Riot were always a total meme. Listen to Linda Lindas.
My experience of neonazis is that they adopted the skinhead aesthetic despite it being heavily associated with multiculturalism through ska music and the Caribbean/reggae influences that the windrush generation brought to the UK music scene. Fascists are totally ignorant of historical context and will pillage whatever cultural iconography they can to serve their own interests.
wheres np
Both sides have Nazis. Separatists/Russian side in Donbas has fighters from the Neo-Nazi Russian National Unity and National Bolshevik Interbrigades. Nationalist fighting will always attract ultranationalists in some capacity.
good thread lets's hear the retard perspective
Skinhead was a working class white movement and always has been. Having some overlap with hardmod culture doesn't change that.
Putin is the murderer of the Slavic people, people who support him are bottom of the barrel scum who want to put down the Slavic man and denying them of ever reaching their full potential. Putin did not do anything of cultural or economic worth for his entire rule.
>but muh early 00s reforms
Those were conducted by Illarionov and he left Russia to work in the USA, he supports Ukraine and is highly anti-Putin because he actually worked with him very closely and knows what kind of a piece of shit Putin is in real life. And no, Illarionov is not globohomo, he got fired by the Biden administration and is highly critical of the Democrats and movements like BLM, he simply has common sense and is not a schizo contrarian.
What do we have however? With Putin came the death of free speech, murders of all opposition (both right and left), embarrassing scandals for Russian sports, death of culture, a crusade against firms and businesses, worsened relations with Post-Soviet nations, Scientific community in the shitter, tons of dead Slavs and a whole lot of shaking hands with Chechnya and literally who third world dictators.
Give one good reason why Putin is a good leader and do not give me no fucking
>he is anti-globablism and muh traditional family values
Putin killed off the entire Nationalist movement (Both moderate and far-right). Putin's parliament have been exposed many times for faggotry behind the scenes. One of the main propaganda leaders in Russia is an open faggot with AIDS. Putin's "ideology" (There really isn't any but he needs a good façade) is made by Dugin, ex-Nazbol leader. An ideology and group formed by a homosexual writer who made novels about sucking off black dudes in New York.
Putin destroyed Russia, the West is simply gonna put down the pathetic, limping dog that is modern Russian Federation.
Punk was not always antifascist. The first wave was full of swastika-brandishing apolitical youths who wanted to piss people off. Then art school poofs co-opted it and began regurgitating the same political messaging as every other medium.
>Skinhead was a working class white movement
That’s not true at all. I grew up in Brixton and skinhead culture was always at the intersection of Roots reggae and punk music. Only someone with no personal engagement in the scene would assume it’s a purely white movement, black skinheads were not uncommon at all back then.
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Ukraine doesn't consist of one class you know OP.
or it's a shitbait
>black skinheads were not uncommon at all back then.
copying white skinheads.
>copying white skinheads
>who listen to black music
Who's copying who, exactly?
>Punk was not always antifascist. The first wave was full of swastika-brandishing apolitical youths who wanted to piss people off.
Last time I checked, bands like The Clash and Angelic Upstarts were explicitly anti-fascist. Also, bands like Buzzcocks, The Mekons, X-Ray Spex, etc. played at Rock Against Racism shows which were also anti-fascist.
Last I checked, the anti-nazi and anti-fascist movements within punk were a way to counter the initial growth & spread of Nazi & fascist ideology that was spreading through the scene back then. You basically had competing groups of astroturfers, in a way. Rock Against Racism vs the National Front.
>Any Forums siding with Russia
Faggots
Correct
>counter the initial growth & spread of Nazi & fascist ideology that was spreading through the scene back then
Pretty sure it was mostly a reaction to growing support for the far-right National Front party. You can see in this poster some of the arrows say "NF? NO!".
>Last I checked, the anti-nazi and anti-fascist movements within punk were a way to counter the initial growth & spread of Nazi & fascist ideology that was spreading through the scene back then
To some extent, but most of the original targets of Rock Against Racism were from outside of punk, like Eric Clapton when he supported Enoch Powell, or Bowie when his Thin White Duke persona got a bit too close to real.
>The first wave was full of swastika-brandishing apolitical youths who wanted to piss people off.
Go read the book Rotten by John Lydon and you will find out that a lot of old UK punks were distinctly uneducated as to what these symbols actually meant. The British school system taught the kids that "NAZI'S ARE BAD, MMMKAY?" without actually explaining why from an ideological standpoint. At first the Nazi uniforms and swastika shirts were worn just to piss off their parents, but Johnny Rotten himself said he never would have done any of it had he actually known what it meant in the first place, (for example: his old passport photo featured him wearing some sort of winged eagle badge/pin that would have been given to ranking German officers in WW2) and he stopped doing so after learning a bit of history.