how do you even reply to people who say white people stole rock from black people? like i guess you're technically correct but it's so reductive, it's like saying that cavemen created music so we stole music from cavemen. almost none of the most highly regarded rock albums were made by black people, why should they have credit because they created music that kind of inspired those albums?
How do you even reply to people who say white people stole rock from black people...
>because they created music that kind of inspired those albums
but they didn't
Black people are the reason all your favorite musicians and albums exist today. Get over it and stop coping
there are some more egregious examples like beach boys directly ripping the melody from Chuck berry’s sweet little sixteen, or doowop/motown songs being covered by female group artists in the 50s/60s. I think that just naturally progressed into a broad generalization that people didn’t want to spend any more time researching or explaining. i don’t think art should be thought of as stealing if it’s inspiration, because it can lead to some really great things
this is compeltely false and you know it
>invents rock and roll
that's literally no different from saying cave men are the reason all your favorite albums exist. like sure, kinda true, but what's even the point of saying that when they didn't make or innovate any modern music
>how do you even reply to people who say white people stole rock from black people?
read a fucking book
no one "stole" music from anyone, white musicians and black musicians were always cool with each other, but when it came to commercial success, this is America, guess who came out on top? It's fucked up, and I wish it hadn't been that way but that's just how things shook out. Its 100% true that really talented black musicians in the early part of the 20th century did not get the notoriety and fame that they deserved, but the US was way more racist back then and you know, shit happens
>white people stole black people music
is always the midwits way of expressing a real frustration, which is that because of structural racism in the united states, black musicians, as talented or in some cases more talented than their white peers languished in obscurity while those selfsame white guys made it big
i can smell the soi coming from you litteraly cope
Did black people create guitars, english language and recording equipment too?
the highest selling musician of all time in america is black
>look mummy i posted image no one actual reads
>i can smell the soi coming from you litteraly cope
sometimes this is the case, but the Motown session band (all black except for Joe Messina and bob babbitt) were making $100k a year in the early 70s, and the black jazz bands were selling out all over Europe. it’s not like they were busking for bread
why did you post a picutrre of yourself
how does one "steal" a product of cultural synthesis?
And black people stole from classical conposers. The fucks your point?
He's talking about the 50s you idiots. Tons of black doo-wop and r&b artists never got what was owed to them.
I understand that, I was addressing the "white people stole black people music" claim in ops post, when people make that claims they are usually referring to the post WWII era before rock and roll really became huge and black and white musicians were playing different types of music that would soon become considered rock and roll, rockabilly, blues, r&b, boogie woogie et al
are any of those guys obscenely rich and famous? as big as elvis presley or buddy holly?
>white people have money to spend on music they like
>Black people didn't
Wow
you don't have to be commercially successful to create an amazing rock album. why are none of the top rated rock, indie, etc. albums on rym or something made by black people? are they really that obscure and hard to find just because they're black, or does it just not exist? i think it's the latter. i agree completely with your post, i'm just against the "white people stole rock from black people" sentiment that kind of just undermines any rock /any of it's subgenres accomplishment and hands it to black people because of some music they made in the 30s or something.
>I love white pekole, they’re the ones buying my albums
t. lil wayne
I just say “it’s complicated”
Didn't MJ sing in the 50s
dumb fuck
to steal would be to take ownership of exclusively. That never happened with rock. Actually, to make a new form of art and say "my group exclusively owns this, you cant participate" is much closer to the idea of theft than sharing in that art form's creation in a shared cultural space. you are basically stealing someone's right to be creative by preemptively claiming ownership of a form of creativity
All of your replies are useless to me. Give me a source of the earliest influencers to rock music that you have.
>no significant album
because they left the genre chud. it was culturally appropriated. the only reason rock was good is because of blues, aka black influence. as the years goes by, rock started becoming more incel and uncool because it was less black over time.
>SWEEP PICKING METAL DOOD
yea lemma have sex to 16th notes in minor scale with some yt incel seething about christianity
They didn’t even invent peanut butter
the beatles
That's dependent on how far you want to go back.
i can smell the self-hating incel cope of this post
>yea lemma have sex to 16th notes in minor scale
litteraly no one knows what this means shut up retard
I'm sorry, but you're not going to revision history here. Blacks, same with women, haven't had it rough, for over 100 years in America.
>it was culturally appropriated
Not a real thing.
Ok, they are easily extremely influential, I hardly consider them tock myself, more like pop. But, who influenced them?
>ur projecting!!! did I hit a nerve?
Proved my point. No nobody likes that shit, nobody knows what that is. Metal, modern rock sucks. People like superior black music because it grooves, it's simple. Rap won chud.
and the only reason blues is good is because someone created the instruments used to make blues. see how retarded of a statement that is?
should the people who created the instruments have credit for blues existing? of course not, neither should black people who made blues music in the 30s have credit for all rock music and it's subgenres made by non black people decades later who probably never even heard the music those black people made
you sound like an actual incel why are you so mad?
they did
The Beatles heavily incorporated classical elements into their music.
So just look at any classical composer.
Still a dumb fuck.
That's merely an illusion. Rap albums don't go 30x platinum.