What would it take to dismantle the surveillance state?

What would it take to dismantle the surveillance state?

9/11 truth? Civil war? Tearing everything down and starting again?

What will it take?

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>What would it take to dismantle the surveillance state?
Nothing, the american people learned about mass warrantless surveillance and executing of american citizens overseas without due process and shrugged
>9/11 truth?
>9/11 truth

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The Turner Diaries has a couple of chapters about that.

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Not relevant for at least another 30 years.
Everybody is too busy slaving their day job, looking after their step kids, ruining their own kids, letting the public school system ruin their own kids, consuming netflix and reality tv and all the other vices languishing, that they simply do not care.

They fucked around and had kids and so nothing else matters.

It was only a few years ago when Intel was definitively caught putting backdoors in their CPUs and they had been doing it since at least '08 but probably '03 and nothing happened. The CEO sold off all of his stock when it happened and basically cashed in by cashing out because nothing happened.

Intel is still in business despite pulling off one of the most elaborate espionage crimes of all time, and nothing happened. You can still find threads where obvious shills don't even deny it, in fact they just gloat and dare you to install the patch that for all practical purposes just cut your CPU's performance to 75%.

Gotta get rid of cell phones.

Let it run its course.
Let it destroy everything.
It's what the people asked for.

Whoever won a civil (or the new smaller states) would just pick up where the USA left off. I don't think anything will change, the Americans are just insanely brainwashed, and their response to surveillance and losing rights has been
>god bless America!
for well over the past 20 years, so I think it's a safe bet that'll continue.

>What will it take?
People caring.

There isn't some deep state boogie-man out there that is responsible for the "surveillance state". The problem is that most people (at least in the USA) aren't civic minded. No one wants to read a local newspaper or watch your local news or go to your local city council meeting. And things are worse at the state and federal level. People just want to go about their lives and not get invested in anything that they feel doesn't concern them.

The "surveillance state" isn't actually the real issue. But it is a symptom of what is happening in the USA. If people cared more about privacy then the laws would change. Unfortunately most people only care about their privacy if they think the government is snooping on them. They don't care if private companies like Alphabet or Facebook/lolmeta are doing it.

"But certainly for the present age, which prefers the sign to the thing signified, the copy to the original, representation to reality, the appearance to the essence... illusion only is sacred, truth profane. Nay, sacredness is held to be enhanced in proportion as truth decreases and illusion increases, so that the highest degree of illusion comes to be the highest degree of sacredness."
- Feuerbach, Preface to the second edition of The Essence of Christianity

1. In societies where modern conditions of production prevail, all of life presents itself as an immense accumulation of spectacles. Everything that was directly lived has moved away into a representation.

2. The images detached from every aspect of life fuse in a common stream in which the unity of this life can no longer be reestablished. Reality considered partially unfolds, in its own general unity, as a pseudo-world apart, an object of mere contemplation. The specialization of images of the world is completed in the world of the autonomous image, where the liar has lied to himself. The spectacle in general, as the concrete inversion of life, is the autonomous movement of the non-living.

3. The spectacle presents itself simultaneously as all of society, as part of society, and as instrument of unification. As a part of society it is specifically the sector which concentrates all gazing and all consciousness. Due to the very fact that this sector is separate, it is the common ground of the deceived gaze and of false consciousness, and the unification it achieves is nothing but an official language of generalized separation.

4. The spectacle is not a collection of images, but a social relation among people, mediated by images.

5. The spectacle cannot be understood as an abuse of the world of vision, as a product of the techniques of mass dissemination of images. It is, rather, a Weltanschauung which has become actual, materially translated. It is a world vision which has become objectified.

encrypt all the things, at rest and in transit.
keep a spare, airgapped computer for creating and perusing files that do not require an internet connection.

how much does the FBI pay you?

>What will it take?
As far as taking is concerned, you should probably take your meds.

Removing people's dependency on both the government and businesses that spy. Government employees are inclined to defend their own source of income, same with the wage cucks. If we had more independent contractors and locally-owned businesses then the complaints of the people will no longer fall on deaf ears and there will be real competition against the surveillance.

Interestingly enough, these recent elections in the US have been a godsend because now both sides no longer trust the federal government and are just now waking up to caring about the surveillance. Now the argument is available: "What happens if we vote in another bad president? Do you want him to have that power over you?" to both sides

This too. People should realize that voting for the president doesn't make a fuckall difference to their day-to-day, but their local governments do. The roads, the police, etc. Only then will they realize that they're unqualified to vote about things going on 3 states away

We only need to tear the computers down and start again. There are ways for businesses can use computers privately, even secure from corporate espionage but the owners are simply not doing it

Communism. Real this time, when people control the state. Once you have some sort of elite group - you'll have surveillance.

Communist states have leaders you dipshit, what are you on about?

Picrel is what it would take.

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calling jewish people jews

there are on any given day of the week 100+ companies working towards improving surveillance of citizens. Just look at how the 911 system has changed in the past 10 years.

>What will it take
meds, now

privacy defends democracy. Do you really feel you can question the government in a surveillance state? Do you really feel that corporations love and care about you when they pay you a fraction of your labors worth? Have you ever read the damn constitution?

It will come naturally, people will slowly stop using tools that are ruining their lives.

At one point even people that do horrible stuff will realize that they are doing more harm than good even to themselves and that they'll have to live in that world.
But, every generation is more humane, on the other hand, extremists are really extreme...
It's simple as that.

lmao what

Oh, you just figured out why idealized communism will never work out

If people knew how to behave without a heirarchy, we wouldn't need a state and could just have an anarchist society. People are greedy cunts user.

Shizos like you taking a step back would already be helpful. Normal people making arguments for privacy can lose their credibility and then dismissed by normies due associations with dumb shit like 9/11 truth or pedos.

Though desu, we're probably fucked either way. The benefits of privacy are too abstract for a normal person, at best the feds getting hacked and private data leaked could help them re-consider stuff.