/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Recommend me a b550/x570 board that has support for 2nd gen ryzen.

RTX 3060 at 600€ or RX 6600 at 500€?

You'll want more than a 3060 for 1440p UW anyway in my opinion. Regardless, the 3060 and 6600 XT are pretty close at 16:9 1440p, and higher res like UW will be worse for the 6600 XT because of the limited Infinity Cache. if you're trying to use the 3060 for 1440p UW, DLSS (or some other form of upscaling) will be almost mandatory in my opinion. Of course, choice of games matters, but if you're already talking about DLSS, I assume you're talking about new, demanding titles

B550 does not support Zen+ / Ryzen 2000 or Ryzen 3000 APUs like the 3000G

I installed my XFX RX 6600XT but the gpu hotspot temp is hot spot temp is maxing at 95c. Is this safe? I tried tweaking the fan profile but the slightest of tweaks makes it get super loud.

There was an confirmation of some b550 boards running zen+ and some x570 have support them outright

Generally speaking the card will throttle before it does anything unsafe, as long as it's at factory stock settings

All X570 support them, numbnuts. B550 does not, unless there's some random board with a special BIOS

I dont think its throttling. Its only hitting those highs briefly usually the junction temp is ~85 C

Whats more annoying is if i just BARELY tweak the fan profile it gets loud as fuck running at 2000+ rpm when stock its nowhere near that

yeah it does dipshit. How outdated is your info? Those CPUs were aded 2 AGESA updates ago. Stop giving bad advice to people you imbecile

Alright, I'll stick to 1080p for the time being then because I really can't afford both a 1440p screen and anything over 600€. In that case, the 6600 XT would be the better choice right?
And hopefully in a couple years UW screens will be cheaper since the selection of non-VA panels seems to suck nowadays.

5600x or 12600k?

12600K outperforms a 5800X so you do the math there

>aded 2
Moron. Shut the fuck up you stupid bitch

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Both are kinda shit but ask yourself how many games you play have dlss support and make that the deciding factor.

buy amd if you support the white race

Suppose you wanted a desktop, but you were going to be moving every 2-3 months for the next year or two, what kind of CPU cooler would you use? It's usually recommended to detach aircoolers before moving the PC, so that's not great. At the same time, bumping around an AIO on a roadtrip every couple months doesn't sound like a good idea, either, and the consequences would be disastrous.

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Intel is the underdog now

Can you just buy a Noctua cooler and get the kit from them for free? I think BeQuiet does a program like that too.

the ideal would be a sff build with an aio and a modest gpu
something like 5600x w/ arctic lf 280mm and a 3060ti or 6700xt

Is there a price for it yet or what will be expected? Also will the 40 series come this year or earliest the nest?

If I were going to be moving around every few months, I'd embrace the ITX meme. Get a low profile Noctua air cooler, a low TDP CPU, and the smallest GPU that would suit my needs.

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BROWN HANDS TYPE THIS POST
AMD = WHITE
INTEL = BROWN

W680/W685 boards when?

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Get one of those low profile coolers like the NH-L9. Lightweight, a form factor not inclined to shear the socket and reliable as any air cooler is. Downside is you will be trading away ultimate cooling performance.

Man I wish ATX would die.

AMD is chink

Too bad it's here to stay

To make an mATX/ITX case without compromises or weird form factors it would just mean a shorter case with no real footprint savings

That's pretty much what I had in mind. SFF case, ITX board, 5600x or 5700g (might just use integrated graphics for a while, still TBD). I'm just trying to balance the pros and cons of air vs liquid cooling, and which is more susceptible to damage from being moved/bumped/vibrated.

TAIWAN IS WHITE

Voodoo cards were so pimp when they released

the aio is not risky at all
the heavy part is solidly mounted to the case itself

small aircooler is also safe, since there is not much mass
but, with a small aircooler, you compromise cooling performance

to give you a sense of scale, 280mm is roughly the size where aios start to leave the best air coolers in the dust
but even a 240mm will brutally mog a small aircooler

>Too bad it's here to stay
Yeah because it is based on design principles from the 80's around computing trends that no longer apply. BTX was a step in the right direction but fuck Dell.Despite Intel's best efforts the reality is the cpu is no longer the power hungry heart of high performance systems and the need for a million expansion slots is basically gone.

How fast is the 5900X compared to the 2700X?

I'm seriously considering one, or should I just jump back to Intel's 12700?

Hard to say depending on task but single core is something like 2.5x as fast.

>the need for a million expansion slots is basically gone
Speak for yourself lol

handful of 3070ti on stock in my country
deciding between 3070 and 3080 which are just a couple hundred bucks apart

should i just snatch it or get something better?

You're not putting 4 gpus in a system and with the high bandwidth connections even desktop cpus have a single network card is enough.

>Hard to say depending on task but single core is something like 2.5x as fast.
Which one?

Hold me sirs, I'm not ready to shell out $600 for a GPU thats barely an upgrade from my rx480

Are rx5600 even a thing now? I fucked up not buying one 2 years ago

5900x - the 12700 is even faster on the big cores. Still, determine your workload and evaluate from there.

Overclock the 480 and come back in a year.

the 3070ti is only 3-5% faster than the 3070
at the cost of 70 extra watts of heat
its worth less than $0.00c more than a 3070

the 3080 on the other hand, is roughly 30% faster than the 3070/ti
so, definitely go for that.

don't buy shit
you have a semi decent card
proceed to JustWait(tm)

Well guys, please help out the poorfag with almost no experience in gayming world. Since I'm quitting my job soon, I want to build a decent gaming pc to eliminate boredom at home.
Anyways, the GPU I have an eye on is rx 6500xt because:
>It's cheap and is plentiful in stock
>It's on OP list
But seems like everyone else and their mother is shitting on it and that's bugging me. What should I do?

Make sure you build a pc with pcie gen 4
Make sure you don't pay more than 250 dollars for that 6500 XT

Grab the RX 6600, 40% more performance than a 3050, and is over 12 % more powerful than a 2060 super, it will last you at least 2 years with 1440p and 4 years at 1080p.

buy a used gtx980 for 300
it will shit on the 6500xt so hard its not even funny
fuck the 6500xt
fuck anyone who buys it
fuck amd
(and fuck jannies)

I miss beige towers

>But seems like everyone else and their mother is shitting on it and that's bugging me.
Well it's within good reason. If you want a decent gaming PC, I wouldn't even think of buying the 6500XT. I'd go for a 6600/6600XT if your budget allows.

Silverstone has the ML08B-H
its an ITX case, that will fit a full size GPU and has a handle.

thanks user
only a single 3080 on stock from msi might as well grab it

AMD has a chink rat CEO, intel has a white CEO

((((white))))

What's the best CPU with the best integrated GPU? I don't want or need a discrete one.

Pat Gelsinger has Amish heritage

6500 is a gimped laptop GPU that NEEDS PCIe 4.0 while lacking normal encode/decode features
just jump up to a 6600

oy vey bad goy

right now it's the 5700G

If you don't need a discrete one then just get the 12100 or 12400...

what he said is accurate
the 5700g is currently the most performant igpu
but i wouldn't advise getting an amd apu under any circumstances

if you just need it to run your desktop and hw decode vids, any remotely modern igpu will be enough
and if you were hoping to actually use it to game, even the 5700g is laughably inadequate
its about the same perf as a gt1030
so, we're talking 720p/30fps on low settings

tldr, if you just want display out, get an intel non-f (better price/perf)
if you actually want to game, you're gonna need a dedicated gpu, sorry

I don't care about gaming and the gaming I would play would probably be more than capable with whatever igpu.

Curious what is wrong with amd apu's. Is it just price/perf?
Only reason I'd lean intel right now is because I know their integrated GPUs "just werk" on Linux and I'm wary of AMDGPU. with my current southern islands card, it still randomly kernel panics, but less than the old radeonsi Linux driver.

>laughably inadequate
not everyone plays AAA bloatware

>Loonix
H610 with a 12100 should be too fast for your needs

My current cpu is literally a i7-3700k, so probably.

>and I'm wary of AMDGPU
I just switched to a 6600 from a gtx 970 a couple days ago, I've only had three issues so far; flicker @ 144hz (seems fixable, haven't messed with xorg yet) fine at 120hz, firefox blanking out on startup for some reason (kubuntu/kde issue? haven't researched anything yet), and my nvidia made xorg.conf needed to be deleted as I couldn't start xorg with it.
comfy so far, compared to the nvidia nightmares I'm use to.

Looking for recommended places to buy comp parts from...I haven't upgraded my comp in ages so I'm a bit lost in the woods here.

Location: Florida
Budget: $1200 USD
Monitor: 1080p, 144hz
Purpose: gayming, sometimes recording said gayming and editing the vids

Should I just go with whatever online retailers will ship to me or are there places I could go physically?

>Is it just price/perf?
yea, basically
just get a 12400 non-f

>I know their integrated GPUs "just werk" on Linux and I'm wary of AMDGPU
afaik amdgpu is fine too
but intel does have a longer history of justwerks gpu drivers in linux

You people need to learn you have to specify the target framerate, not just the resolution.
6600 XT is great for 1440p UW at 60 fps. If your target is above that, then no, it's not good unless it's some esport garbage.
t. 6600 XT user with UW monitor.

>Bought a microphone and it picks up almost no audio unless you yell at the top of your lungs, or you're

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As far as I know, Micrcenter would be the best place if you have one near you.

Blue Yeti.

I bought one of those like 4 years ago and there was a constant low humm sound

Samson C01U

i think your problem is not the microphone
what audio interface are you using?

Audacity

uhm, yea, i think i found the issue
you're plugging it in the back of your pc im guessing?
what mic do you have?
you probably need something like this:
amazon.com/Focusrite-Scarlett-Audio-Interface-Tools/dp/B07QR73T66/ref=sr_1_13?dchild=1&keywords=Schiit Modi 2&qid=1630755095&sr=8-13
forgive the ancient link, was what i had in my browser history and could get easily

I've had this since 2018: amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATR2100-USB-Cardioid-Dynamic-Microphone/dp/B004QJOZS4
Is there something like that a little cheaper that you'd recommend? I've love to spend around $50 give or take

I hope the 4700 is cheap, I wouldn't mind upgrading my 3300X

sorry fren, im not a big enough audiofag
the link i gave i what was recommended as a good cheap audio interface to me by an audiofag
check if they still make it, i guess
but really you should just go to the audiofag general and ask there

>but really you should just go to the audiofag general
Where is that? What is the real name of the general?

Is it USB or XLR? if it's the latter then you need to buy a phantom power, that's a device that will give power to your microphone.

I don't recommend buying a phantom power on its own, because lots of them are just chinese junk that wont give you enough power. Instead i recommend you buy an audio interface with integrated phantom power. That will allow you to control how much gain you want your microphone to have (maybe make some asmr while you are at it lol )

they audiofags have several, actually
i think right now /dmp/ is your best bet

Thanks, user!

USB, Atr2100

I use the behringer umc22, it was the best thing i could get for your same budget.

It's pretty nice, it has a dial to adjust the gain, and you can also connect your headphones and give them more power so they sound better. It has a metal case and it doesnt feel cheap.

if you want something even cheaper you could go for the um2, but that one has less features and is plastic

yeah I got the 6600 there, openbox for $399.
so far I'm happy with the card, but the price still hurt.

will waiting for a week more to buy a GPU pay off with slightly lower prices, or should I just order it now?

Does 6700xt benefits a lot from pcie4?

Thank you user, I will look into this

I haven't had to buy a GPU for 5 years. Is it possible to get them at MSRP within 1-4 months of trying? I see the 3080 came out at like $700 but the prices right now...

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no, sorry
you will either have to pay scalper prices
or JustWait(TM) for a few more months

Is upgrading from 2600 to 5800x a bad idea?

eeehhh...
its right at the cutoff of worth/not worth, imo
are you playing at 1080p with a strong gpu?
are you an esportsfag?
can you do he upgrade without needing to also buy a new mobo?

Advanced configuration CPU stress test like OCCT but not paywalled?

6600xt OC or 6700xt?

$300 difference in price for me but unsure if it's really worth it desu

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eh, get the 6600xt or spring for a 6800/XT, at least that's 50-60%% faster for the money.

Buy a prebuilt, pc-building is dead lmao.

Why did you remove the LTT link from the recommended ssds in op's post? They have a nice tier list desu

I mean...yeah If my budget allowed it, but it's literally a thousand dollars difference between the 6600xt and the 6800xt for me, so bit out of budget

I'm seeing 6800's hover around $1K or so in the US and that's a better deal than a 6700XT, all I'm gettin at. 6600XT is prolly the better choice.

Or get a console.

I didn't, someone in the last series of threads must have removed it for some reason. I thought the ssd section seemed retardedly bare.

I'm in aus, so unfortunately the government's taxman fucks my asshole on everything, so a 6800xt for me is ~$1900 RRP

No.

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prebuilt it is then.

Does it matter if the memory modules are all different OEM or module numbers if their specs are the same?

No.

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I am doing some upgrades. I am planning to keep my ram and power supply.

Is it worth doing that as they are generally quite cheap items to replace?

Trying to sell a used PC without ram and power supply seems like it could be a mess.

nah, don't bother
sell the entire thing as a working unit
buy new ones with fresh warranties

Alright play with stones and stick.
>No

Alright Any Forums,
I'm going to build a new PC, just got 16gb cosair vengeance 3200mhz ram, my budget is under $1.4k, any recommended parts?

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No.

I'll tell you what im going to do
I'm gonna keep gaming on my rx480
When minerfags start killing themselves, im gonna crash their funerals
And im gonna try to fuck their wives and/or daughters and/or sisters
Basically anyone who is female, related to them and even remotely attractive.
And, finally, im gonna attend the estate sale, and buy some cheap motherfucking gpus.
Well, just one really, i only need one.
I'm hoping for a 3070 at or below 50% MSRP.
And also some minerfag wife/daughter pussy.

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12400
arctic fuma 2 or noctua u12s
b660
1tb gen3 nvme (2tb if you want to have many games installed concurrently)
gold rated evga/corsair/seasonic psu (wattage according to desired gpu)

wait on the gpu until the summer at least

Well, good luck with that.

OP often has lines in it that say:
>Post build list or current specs including MONITOR
>Provide specific use cases (e.g. 4K editing, high FPS gaming)

Is there anythign wrong witht eh brand Geil for ram?

Their sticks appear to be significantly cheaper than say corsair at my local store

For 1080, how viable of an upgrade is the 6500xt for someone stuck with a 5 year old 960? I have a pcie4 slot and the 5600x can probably handle encoding on its own if I really need it to

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Very viable

What's the difference between b660 and b660m?

not sure, but im guessing the m signifies an mATX model

>anythign wrong
No

6900xt or 6800xt for $180 less? Is there a huge difference in performance between them?

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there's like a 5% performance difference

Same chipset, although the boards might have different features. Other user is correct about form factor

Viable

Read OP and put something together you fuck

>specs are the same?
Then it's fine

I looked at op and I don't understand, most of the parts are the same but newer. As in it's the same specs as my current PC but just released later.

I would get a 6600 XT at least or wait so you aren't paying for small marginal uplifts

Why does my new pc disconnect my internet when I turn it on? Wifi still is available but the connection drops out on every other device. Using the adapter on the STRIX Z690-E MB

at the prices the 6600xt is going for I'd rather get something like a 2060 and not have to deal with AMD's fuckery
the 6500xt is only 20 euros above MSRP right now while the cheapest 6600xt i can get starts at 600

I had that problem with Windows 10, it was because I disabled wifi sense.

I tried looking for that but didn't find the setting, but I assume its default since I haven't changed anything yet.

uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vGrscb
advice kindly requested, haven't built a rig in over 10 years

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>AMD cpu
no. go 12700/F with a B660 mobo if you REALLY need multicore performance but 12400/F is likely all you need.
>RAM
read the warning at the bottom, 32 GB is pointless if you're running Win 7 Home
>WD Blue
it's shit. get a 2 TB MX500.
>6600 XT
ehhhhh, it's probably fine if you can actually get it for a good price. can't be too choosy with graphics cards. but you could do better.
>PSU
No need for platinum, and 600W is unnecessarily low. go with 650/750W gold from either corsair, seasonic, or EVGA

>uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vGrscb
replace cpu mobo with 12400/b660 or 12700/b660 if you feel you need the extra multicore perf
replace cpu cooler with arctic liquid freezer aio, largest that will fit the top of your case
ram is fine
replace nvmes with better ones (TLC cells, DRAM cache, look for the sk hynix p31)
also, why 2 of them instead of 1 larger one? raid?
im sure you're aware that buying a gpu now involves getting cucked. if you must, go ahead, i suppose.
replace case with meshify 2, its a newer improved version, also comes in compact size but would advise standard instead, so you can fit a larger aio
that psu is kinda borderline. do you never plan to upgrade to a better gpu?
you don't need extra fans, the fractal ones are decent
you don't need to buy windows, go to /fwt/, they'll hook you up

Why are you sad? Did your old shit die or something?

All in all, its a solid setup but just please get off Windows 7.

I dont want intel

If I have 3 other GPUs sitting around the house, does it REALLY pay to go with a non-F Intel CPU just to have the igpu for troubleshooting?

get this
amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Legion-15ACH6H-GeForce-Windows/dp/B09B3XFBSS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1FND3OHKRQALG

and an HDMI cable if you wanna hook it up to a monitor or TV. You can hook up any peripherals to it and just use it like a tower.

It will literally give you all the performance you need until prices stop being dumb.

>buying a used mined shitted on thing because its akshually nvidia
fucking imbecile

Any particular reason? I thought you wanted advice. That's the best advice I can give, because only trannies and actual retards would buy an AMD chip in Q1 2022.

not used but yea i'd rather not deal with AMD's shitty drivers if I don't have to

>shitty drivers
what are you talking about?

buying worse products at a higher price out of fanboyism is the AMD way

thanks for the tips. i'll be back with another list in a few days most likely.
i'm sad because i don't keep up to date with computer hardware and feel really stupid

Is insulting prospective buyers how intel marketers sell cpus?
its better for my uses

holy shit kid, go back to your amd subreddit

Maybe you would sell more cpus if you didnt have an autistic fit everytime someone has preferences that differ from yours

Why isnt AMD CPUs price going down with 12400 shitting on them unlike the very competitive AMD GPU prices vs Nvidia

what uses is it better for exactly?
what feature does AMD have that intel doesn’t?

If you can hold out for a few more months grab zen 4 with rdna 2 igpu

Why is it so hard to believe that AMD is better then intel for specific use cases?

what use case is that though? the 5800x is worse in both multicore and single core uses than the 12600k, and far worse than the 12700k

>autistic fit
bro, I just think it's a bit weird to "prefer" a product that performs worse and costs more in literally every metric. like, seriously, you are an actual tranny if you're unironically fanboying this hard and not just trolling. if you are just trolling, you're still a tranny.

Has anyone here ever tried changing out the stock fan in a PSU with a quiet noctua one?
I have 2 questions before trying this.
Even if I buy a simplest of 40mm noctua fans with no PWM, would the PSU freak out and shut off because the fan isn't spinning fast enough, or drawing enough voltage, assuming that the fan has failed because it doesn't match the characteristics of the stock fan?

Also, the general concerns about getting electrocuted, you know.
This particular PSU is for a dell optiplex SFF, I bought a spare one in case I screwed up this fan mod, it hasn't been powered on since I received it, would it still be holding residual charge in the capacitors?

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because I will never buy anything intel

>doesn’t answer the question

>bit weird to "prefer" a product that performs worse
what part of its better for my use case do you not understand

ASUS ROG STRIX B550-I
Why doesn't this support The 2000s series?
Aren't those also AMD4?

you didnt answer mine

You still haven't said what your use case is, because you don't have one lmao.
hint: "muh joos" isn't a use case

what use case?

I'm looking for displays right now.
>32" - 4k - good sRGB coverage - refresh rate doesn't matter - VESA
>24" or 27" - 1080p or 1440p - same requirements otherwise
The important bit is that both should be from the same line, or at least be as similar as possible overall. Using two displays, having any sort of difference in brightness and color drives me insane. And with two different panels, there's only so much you can do to calibrate them. I've had enough success to make my current setup usable on Windows, but on Linux, no matter what I do, colors are just all over the place, and the difference between my displays is outright nauseating.
Budget for both displays combined is around $1200

I do have a use case i just dont feel like telling it to some autistic freak on Any Forums lol

because there is no conceivable use case that isn’t “I’m a fanboy”

cope

okay bro, i believe you. i bet it's a really important use case ;^)
I bet you have a whole closet full of use cases, in fact. you keep fighting the good fight brother.

you have no use case you’re just buying a worse product for more money because of fanboyism

You sound like the fanboy seething hard that someone uses AMD because it suits their needs better than intel

Aside from being antisemetic why not its currently faster at a lower price.
Maybe you own stocks of AMD and shilling for them

they're probably from the R9 290 era when AMD drivers were notoriously shithouse

what need? You haven’t described a single one

Guys pls stop fighting pls and pls help those who need help pls

Intel is better for you, AMD is better for me. See you have autism because you cant see anything through anyone elses point of view

What would be the cheapest Mini ITX board I could get for my AMD 2600?

Why do you think you are entitled to know how i use my computer?

Is this still a thing? tomshardware.com/news/amds-rx-6000-gpus-to-boost-perf-with-ryzen-5000-cpus-via-smart-memory-access

or whatever happened to this?

I'm a broke fucker and I'm considering switching from my 1060 to a 3050, how worth would it be ?

Main uses are gayming, video editing and 3d rendering. 1080p monitor

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at least point out some legit points instead of being a faggot

I am not an Antisemite. I have been an AMD supporter since I got my first AMD 486 which I replaced with a K6-2 and later my Thunderbird. And on and on.

I already told you that AMD is better for me and you are having a autistic freakout because im not buying intel

grab 2 dell ultrashaps
i can't guarantee they will be calibrated well enough for you to not notice color differences between them
you'd need a colorimeter to achieve that reliably with any displays
but they are very well regarded in general

i get why someone would go 12900 but idk for the price i just don't know that it gets better than 12700K right now. power, features, reasonable power/cooling requirements etc

not at all, especially if you're broke
stick with the 1060, pray it doesn't die
wait for the used miner cards after the cryptofaggotry ends

why are you pretending to be me, the autism is off the charts with these intel fanboys lol

please sir intel is superior as apple has used them sir

Kek at these 2 pajeets who cant even rationalize an inferior product with a higher price.

I am bot pretending to be you. That nigger started replying to me too

For my usecase, AMD outperforms Intel, for my usecase the inferior product is intel how aspregered are you that you cant understand this concept

I guess I could make it work if I got a U3219Q and a U2422H. Together they do fit into my budget.
Problem is I've heard stories about their absolutely horrendous black levels. And I think that could be an actual issue, since I'm coming from a VA panel. Gonna have to see if I take a look at these things in person somewhere before I decide.

you are bot me

Can you two just get a room?

SIR HES NOT BUYING INTEL I NOT KNOW WHAT DO

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Bumping this as vendor wars went down

pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#s=33&f=8&sort=price&page=1
Asus A320I-K

Sorry im going to buy a 5950x and put it in my 30$ used ebay a320

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the 3050 is barely 1070 tier.

PC building is not for you. This thread is for the nuances of PC building, not spoonfeeding
My guess is it throws the router into some mode that only your newest devices can use, i.e., it completely disables the router's 2.4GHz mode or something

12700
SSDs are shit. NVMe is a no brainer at current pricing

>imbecile
You were already shit on and told to get out of the thread, or must I remind you?

>intel marketers
Literally retarded

5600X dropped about $30

There are specific use cases where Zen is better. He, or you, don't know them, because you don't fall into those niches

And yet you're enough of a shithead to call people in this thread marketers. This is why you and your kind are called AMDummies

Get shit on retard(s)

It's mostly a negligible improvement. Intel and Nvidia also have similar features because SAM is actually just using a feature built into the PCIe spec

Check benchmarks for yourself. For me the boost to rendering and editing would probably be most enticing, although both would likely also see significant improvement from a CPU upgrade if you're coming from the 1060 era or before

>Problem is I've heard stories about their absolutely horrendous black levels
that is true, but it applies to all IPS panels, not just Dell's
iirc the u2720q is pretty great in this regard, for a IPS panel
but really, if you care about black levels, you're kinda fucked, at least partially
your only options are VA
and since you're not considering the g7, that means black smearing out the ass when you scroll text or play any games
maybe look into the dell s3221qs and/or the benq ew3270u
they are fairly good VA panels, but still have terrible response times

what are your usecases exactly?

You have autism and its apparent, get over the fact that im not buying intel, its better for you unless you are literally invested in intel

Thanks man, do you have any recommandations for when I have more cash ?
I'm self employed so I kinda need it, video editing gets very frustrating when you need to wait X mins for every adjustement you make, rendering's a bitch too

Not available in the EU

Thanks though

what country in the EU

>overpriced coolers
lol id rather buy as500 or freezer 34 esports

-stick with nvidia no matter what, its cuda is non-negotiable for you
-try to get lots of vram. 12gb on the 3060, there is a rumored 16gb 3070 (or 3070ti, not sure) coming
-obviously a 3090 would be ideal, but extremely pricy. still, if you're making money of it and can afford it, its the best choice

The third world to the north

has FatTechJesus(TM) reviewed them?
the ones i recommended are known good, that's why i recommend them

Any good CPU comes to mind ? I managed to get by so far by buying an nvme, i'm self-employed and right now I don't really make enough money to afford buying shit, I can get by but I don't have any big money project in sight

can you be a bit more specific so I can actually help you?

Sorry. Sweden.

You were retarded enough to choose BX500 SSDs so I'm not surprised

>Any good CPU comes to mind ?
Read OP

here you go
amazon.se/dp/B07FNMLCTC?tag=pcpp-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

Who? I have had freezer since 2019 and as500 since 2021
I was thinking about noctua back then but it costs like 2 times more and the perfomance is on the same level (as500 is even better)

That actually looks great but we don't like Amazon. When they launched here they didn't bother having a single Swedish speaking person check their site and it was 2008 Tier google translate. Thanks for reading my blog post. I will consider it though

i was talking about gamersnexus
but ill take any reviewer that does proper noise normalized testing in temperature controlled environments

Oh. Jesus didn’t have long hair, that was Samson. Steve isn’t Jewish either.

more like gaymers nexus, lmao

I've gotten used to the ghosting on my VA panel, and I'd take that over weak blacks any day. I've not touched a video game in 15 years anyways. But I'll definitely look into the UltraSharp line. I know a place near me that ought to have at least one on display. The ones you recommended are already advertised with 99% sRGB, so blacks are really all I have to worry about now.
The s3221qs and the ew3270u fall flat for me because the Dell is curved, which I genuinely hate, and the BenQ doesn't have a VESA mount.
My day job requires me to do office work from home, so I'll have a lot of white surfaces on my displays- that's the reason why I'd like to have them as similar as it gets, because any tint in the white drives me nuts.
In my free time I'm into amateur or semi-professional photo editing. Usually the results I got from my MSI VA panel look very good when looking at them on my iPad. That's still the standard I'm striving for.

Could i realistically buy a RTX 3050? i see 6500 XT on stock but i have fucking PCIe 2.0

hmmm
ok, crazy idea
how about, bear with me here, i know its crazy, but how about a giant ass 8k TV
samsung sells 65inch 8k TVs.
they are VA
they will offer much more total panel area than a 32inch + a 27inch
it will have uniform colors, since its one panel
you can for sure wall mount it
and im fairly confident the cheaper, 60hz models fit your budget

just an idea :)

if you have pcie 2.0 it wont matter what you buy it will be bottlenecked by your system

no, the only valid options right now are 6600/XT
they will hold their values much better than some 3050 or some 20 series shitbox

Yes, 2 days ago
Lmao it shits on 12u redux, fuck noctua
I got my 34 esports for dirt cheap from local store for half the price of redux

Yeah, no. I definitely need two separate displays. The smaller one is supposed to be used vertical. I've measured this already, and a 32 plus a vertical 27 is the biggest setup I can fit on the wall by my desk. It's also the biggest I'm willing to use because I wouldn't have to move my head around all the time to see every corner. Just to be sure I just measured again for 65 inch, and this is just insane. There's no way I could be comfortable with that kind of size, sitting at arms length from the display.
No, I'll go see if I can take an in person look at the UltraSharp line. I mean, I get by with the IPS panels on my laptops just fine. Thanks, user.

Where can i look for simple spoondfeeding?
Where can I purchase a decent spec pc that some pc building nerd made where i am charged for parts and labor?
Is it possible to get something like the above that would have a better performance/cost ratio than going to best buy and getting a Dell?

These are noob questions, but life is short and i'm a blue collar technician who has a couple grand to spare for a great computer. If you managed to find all this out on your own through your own intellect and grinding dozens of videos and websites, good for you I'm glad. Im just a layman and ask that one of you could succinctly answer this and set my life in a better direction so i can then send the rest of my community the same way.

yea, i feel you, a screen so large basically forces you to move your desk back, even wall mounted
lg sells 55inch 8ks, but they are IPS
im just quite fond of the idea of a single large ass screen instead of several smaller ones
with the various tiling tools/WMs available nowadays, you can really make use of it efficiently
and if its 8k, you can get retina quality text *and* insane amounts of real estate

most prebuilt pc are shit
some are not
if you are well versed enough to know the difference, you can usually just make your own to your exact specifications
whats your location?
maybe then you can get some recommendations for decent vendors from anons in the same regions

will an RX 6600 be bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0? it's an x8 card.

>getting a Dell?
don't do this. this user is right.
you could also fuck around on pcpartpicker.com/list/ and post a list in here for the autists to bicker about.

how much research would you do to get a $2-2.5 thousand dollar car? Would you just go out and buy one without looking under the hood?
Would you just buy a model because someone on Any Forums said its 'teh bestest"

put some energy behind your purchasing decisions and stop whining

Thank you. I am in Arizona near the border to Mexico and go back and forth for family. A vendor is the word i was looking for yes. I want to go talk to people who know what theyre doing and build the pcs.

you dont provide a suggestion, i dont know what it is with you computer people. I know what to look for in a car. that comes quick and natural to me. For many working people like myself, we dont know friends who know about computers, and when we want to talk to someone online, it is just smug elitism. I hope the next time your car gives out on the road that a fat immigrant mechanic takes one look under the hood and says "git gud" and leaves you stranded.

Yeah but i can buy a GPU or upgrade from a E5-1650 v2, i cant do both and i need a GPU.

electric legos is easier than wrenching on an old shitbox.

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Mate I've been building PC's before you were born. You can't answer basic questions and just sperg out, you need to go back to faggot.

so, for gayming are you supposed to disable e-cores or not?

it don't mattah

what is your current gpu?

sauce on your claim?

Here's the suggestion: Like someone who knows nothing about cars would go to a mechanic;
go to a computer store and have someone sell you a computer. They'll tell you all about the best deal you can get.

6600xt drivers are fine
Not having to deal with geforce experience and afterburner is a far better trade off

Cause ryzen has the mind share
All the tards go into computer stores and say "I'm after a new computer, a friend told me it needs to have a ryzen and an rtx To play call of duty the best"

Quadro K6000.

tomato

Forgot to mention that its dying, it has been used for work/rendering nonstop since 2013 so its not hard to see why, also survived a PSU failure.
Reason why im trying to get a new one.

Okay, someone provide me a link for a (new) AMD graphics card that's decently priced.

You're all fucking liars, there's no difference in price between AMD and Nvidia performance you faggots

>will an RX 6600 be bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0? it's an x8 card.

Slightly, but if you turned off fps stat's I'd doubt you would be able to tell the difference in actual use

Not being a tard?
Unless your trying to get 600 fps in cs go at 720p low, it won't make an appreciable difference

People dont seem to understand this.
They seem to be under the Impression that going to a store means you're buying a pre built.
More likely they will spec out a build for you, as if you were dumb, and then you pay a fee for them to put it together.

We don't know where in the world you are, you fucking moron

He asked a simple question mc faggot, dig a hole and throw yourself in it. You clearly have a superior complex.

AMDs card are in fact superior from the technological standpoint, you can undervolt them and get similar frames with 70% of the wattage. They also use a 7nm process. Nvidia cards just blast themselves and optimize their algorithms for the benchmarks that will go on youtube. These are clear jewish tricks that people fall prey to.

region matters, import (((taxes))) and other bullshit local duties add up.

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thats why you have to turn the settings down to get playable framerates on AMD

Do any of you guys have any personal experience with Z690/H670 boards with the Intel I225-V ethernet controller? Are all the posts online about motherboards using the Intel I225-V just unlucky people with bum boards or people using incorrect drivers etc? I keep seing people posting about it online in product reviews and forums but tech outlets mostly haven't touched the topic in a long time. Seriously considering a Gigabyte or ASRock motherboard simply to avoid the chance of a bad board using the I225-V.

Do you?

what the fuck are you talking about? are you retarded?

Is the 12400 worth the $140 difference over 10400?

yes, having to turn RT off is needing to turn the settings down

IMO no. But any value judgement like that is always a matter of opinion. However, there really shouldn't be a $140 difference between them. Sounds like one is on sale or out of stock.

They're only $59 in difference from what I can see. And for that, the 12400 is well worth it.

This is with lunar new year sales applied. The 10400 is already pretty cheap in my country but some store is offering promos on top of the sale price.

well shit. if it's really that much cheaper, might as well go 10400 but only if you're okay with upgrading from it sooner than you might've if you bought current gen hardare.

It'll to be hard to beat that from a price to performance perspective so you'll have to decide if you need the higher performance of the 12400.
To that end:
What is this PC going to be used for?
If gaming,
What resolution?
What games?
What video card?

10-15 fps difference might matter down the line if he's a waitCHAD since this is the last ddr4 line.
But if he can spend spend every 3 years why not.
I usually squeeze my pc for 5-7 years before replacing.

why has the ratio between RAM and VRAM changed so much?
>in 2012 I had 8GB of RAM and 1GB of VRAM
>today I have 16GB of RAM and 12GB of VRAM
Both sufficient for AAA games of their respective time period.
Why don't we need 96GB of RAM today?

Any good future proof 4k monitors out yet?

is it true that nigreedia will release rtx 4000 at $4000 later this year along with raptor lake and am5?

should i just wait™?

>16GB
idk most people in this thread seem to recommend 32GB.

Yeah the 10400 is a steal. I'll only be pairing it with a 60 tier card at most. Thanks anons

Even then the ratio is vastly different.
But buying 32GB right now is a retarded move for most users. Just keep your task manager open and look how much RAM you're actually using. I've never managed to push my desktop past 9GB.

I think there's a few factors. The big one is that there's diminishing returns on asset quality - you need to more than double the VRAM utilization (through poly count, texture size, lighting, etc.) to get a doubling of perceived fidelity. The other thing to consider is that, in 2012, 1080p 60FPS was the target while now it's considered a minimum. The kinds of people that buy high-end cards are now mostly on 1440p or 4k (360Hz twitch shooter players excepted). Finally, there's definitely an element of marketing/competition. Headline specs sell cards. If Nvidia has 6GB and AMD has 4 there's some contingent of consumers that will choose Nvidia regardless of the actual capabilities of the cards.

GB
>idk most people in this thread seem to recommend 32GB.
For windows you need 32, I have a pretty clean windows 11 install and even after debloating I have 10/32GB used just on idle, it's insane.

>think about building new computer
>start looking into options for parts, cases, boards, etc.
>realize GPUs are still fucked
>realize I barely play games anymore
>consider a minor upgrade, maybe replace my case since I don't really like it that much and airflow on it sucks
>realize it sits under my desk and I hardly ever look at it anyway, and performance is fine
>decide it's not worth the money
>repeat at least once a month for the last two years
This is really getting old at this point.

nice fantasy, friend
I can't even get my Windows 11 install to utilize 10GB when my entire workflow is open

Guys I need a definitive answer, I've seen too much arguing against both

6600xt or 6700xt?

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does 650w enough for this list pcpartpicker.com/list/LP28Tn

>nice fantasy, friend
>I can't even get my Windows 11 install to utilize 10GB when my entire workflow is open
I'll send a screenshot when I'm home.
I wish it was a fantasy, made me depressed.

The 6600XT is a MUCH better value right now, and probably will continue like that for a while. That's all I really can say to this. Maybe it's just me, but I think a four figure sum can never be justified for a consumer GPU. You should only pay that kind of money if it's an investment, like if you need it for work and expect monetary returns from it.

Something is definitely wrong there. I boot up my Windows 11 with Steam, Musicbee, Discord, JDownloader and KensingtonWorks in autostart and it then idles at 2.5GB.

yes but pick at that price there are better options
pcpartpicker.com/product/2HbwrH/corsair-rmx-2018-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020178-na

not him but did you debloat it? is have similar stuff open and it idles around 4-5gb, w11 too

No, I didn't do anything to it. The install is just a week old, maybe it'll increase its idle hunger for RAM later, like Windows often does.

Done.

I am now buying the 6600xt

Is it normal for an AMD card to have high junction temps? I've read everywhere that 6800/6900xt cards are going up to 110 C on junctions while the other temps are fine. Doesn't matter what manufacturer; AMD reference, MSI, XFX, Powercolor, Sapphire, they all are doing it. I thought it was just the AIB I was going to get, MSI, as people were saying it was because they used cooling pipes instead of a cold plate, but as I said all the AIBs and reference card has this problem.

Is that just something normal for AMD cards?

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Is it worth spending ~40 bucks to upgrade from 3600 to 3700x? 1440p and 3070

I'm the original one you talked to and mine is about 2 months old.
Debloated and what's installed is:
Firefox, Qbittorent, mpc-hc, madvr, steam, the asus utility thing that updates drivers for you, Nvidia GeForce experience, evga X1 and steam
And the only thing I have on autostart is the asus utility thing, rest have been disables.
Will take screenshots when I return home.

My screen is 1440p if that matters somehow? Don't think it does

for games? at 1440p? fuck no

By the time rt matters both gens will be shit at it.
Oh and turning on upscaling is the same as turning down settings you tard

meant for

Oh, why not, only at 1080p? I thot going for this upgrade I will get atleast 5 fps minimum increase. Guess this was a retarded decision afterall.

3600 doesn't bottleneck a 3070, spend the $40 if you want to

used to be thing on rx 5700 cards, never really heard for 6000 series, but not great not terrible

at 1440p you are gpu-bound so i doubt it's even 5 fps
the performance gains will be negligible, and, money aside, you need to reinstall cooler, reapply thermal paste, etc which is a headache on its own
maybe you can get a 5000 series when those are cheaper, which would be a more reasonable upgrade, but the 3600 is still competent for gaming paired with a 3070

copium

Ty lads.

The more ram you have the more ram your system will use.

high junction temps are normal just because you see temp peaks doesn't mean it averages at those peaks. look at hwinfo average reading tab for more info. the max can say 105c but the average is more like in the 80-90s. as long as its below 110c for peak and average you won't get any throttling or issues. some AIB cards have a high delta variance between junction and core temp like 30+ degrees difference, some people fixed it by repasting their card or side mounting their gpu with a riser cable.

My Sapphire Pulse 6800 XT overclocked hits 107C on its junction temperature under stress test. Undervolted down to 200w it never exceeds 80c.

should i upgrade my 2700x and 2080? i play at 1440p
will i get more fps if i jumped to the 5000 series or will it be a waste/bottleneck since my 2080 is just around 3060 level?

>will i get more fps if i jumped to the 5000 series
yes
but not much

dude wait until the 4000 series. It would be retarded not to wait for cryptomining to be over and lovelace, the 2080 is still a super decent card.
in terms of cpu i don't think it's worth it yet as the 5000 series is almost a generation old and overpriced as fuck still

if you do any sort of emulation the jump from zen+ to zen 3 is huge

just screwed in my mobo, msi 550m pro vdh wifi, but couldn't get to one of the screws at the top (the one right in the middle) because it was covered by the case and massive cooler (nh-d15). seems tight and secure though, nothing feels like it's gonna come loose when I move the case/board around, so I'm hoping it won't be a problem in the future?

(I'm also mounting one of my SSDs with only three screws because one of the screw holes got completely fucked when I took it out of my old case, but that probably won't be an issue either right?)

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>The more ram you have the more ram your system will use.
Cope, arch will use the same

nah, i as long as you dont plan to move your computer all the time, i had ssd sit without any screws since it was older case without 2.5 slots, just piece of tape in case