How would he have fared during the masters tournament?

How would he have fared during the masters tournament?

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this guy lost to Cynthia 12 years ago

Didn't he defeated her?

nope

12 years of intense training

12 years in the psychiatric ward after Garchomp 1 shot his Darkrai and swept his team.

He never challenged the E4. Cynthiaschizos are making headcanons again and think Cynthia beat him off screen even if that never happened.

As for the M8, under realistic circumstances he would easily win, probably without even using his last 1 or 2 pokemon. But if he was competing in the anime, they would probably have him lose to Leon because "muh undefeated plot armored Champion".

Look at Cynthia’s confident smirk and stance near Tobias. She saw what he did, she knows he’s barely a threat. Tobias wouldn’t even have made it past Aaron, let alone beat Cynthia.

But why would he even bother entering the league if he had no intention of challenging the E4 and Champion? What was his endgame? Just to crush dreams and cock block trainers who actually wanted to battle the Champion?

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>He never challenged the E4
either he did or he knew he was too weak

Either way Cynthia > Tobias

Yeah man I'm totally sure he joined the League just for funsies and to then not claim his right to challenge the E4 and Cynthia.
You talk about Cynthiaschizos headcanons when you come up with this kind of ridiculous mental gymnastics because the idea that Cynthia actually beat Tobias makes you seethe and mald because it would make Cynthia look good.
Talk about rent free.

There's only the meta-logic here, aka he's just an overpowered plot device the writers made the fuck up to cuck Ash but with his head held high. Anything regarding the in-series logic, meaning Tobias' motives, remains a mystery.

Darkrai would still probably sweep half of Ash's team considering he just went full fucking retard and let a Spiritomb Dream Eater Dragonite to death from full health.
Pikachu would probably beat Latios in a 1v1 now since his donut steel Z-Move > Volt Tackle, but that's a one time use attack.

>But why would he even bother entering the league if he had no intention of challenging the E4 and Champion?
He wouldnt
Its clear he tried further off-screen, but failed to become Champion

Common sense says that someone who wants joins the League wants to challenge the E4 and Champion. That somehow Tobias doesn't want to and just fuck offs to the horizon is silly.

>Didn't challenge them for reasons
Means Tobias pussied out.
>Cynthia is still Champion
Means he either couldn't make it past the E4 or if he did then Cynthia beat him.

Cynthia is about to get anally rekt by fucking Ash of all people so I understand you're on the edge but stop making up headcanons. If something is never stated in the anime then it never happened. If you assume things then you're making up headcanons. If the winner of the League was FORCED to challenge the E4, then yeah we can deduce that he lost because Cynthia is still the Champion. But since that's optional, we don't know. The most logical scenario though is that he didn't because there's no way he would lose looking at their teams.

this.

In all scenarios, Cynthia > Tobias >there's no way he would lose looking at their teams.
he lost TWO legendaries to DP Ash, who is fodder to Cynthia
Absolutely nothing he has done puts him at Cynthia/champion level

But keep coping

>Cynthialets on full damage control
so this is the power of waifufagging...whoa

Cynthia = active long-time Sinnoh champion > Tobias
simple as

This man literally manifested into reality to tell Ash to fuck off. Once that was done, he ceased to exist entirely. He has never appeared since and will never appear again.

Would get 6-0'd by Leon. If they really wanted to sell him, by Leon's Charizard.

>he lost TWO legendaries to DP Ash
Even in competitive a Darkrai wouldn't be able to defeat 3-4 different pokemon on its own. Let alone with anime logic where all the battles are kill for kill so they always end in a 1-0 scenario. His whole team is probably legendaries and Cynthia's strongest mon Garchomp gets absolutely mogged by both Latios and Darkrai.

But keep coping.

lmao retard
He got raped by Aaron or Bertha

this post was definitely typed with only one hand

If he didn't challenge them it means Tobias is a pussy-ass bitch nigga no matter the reason why he didn't.
It's not a good look for Tobias no matter many mental gymastics you make.

For over a decade everyone simply assumed that Cynthia just beat up Tobias, if he even made it to her, because that's what anyone with common sense and two neurons to rub would assume but then Gen 8 happened, the the anti-cynthiaschizo faction formed and since then they spam all over their ridiculous headcanon that Tobias never challenged her just because because that literally no one even thought about in over ten years. It's hilariously pathetic.

Based