Episode 16 synopsis: Hiro takes Gammamon solo-camping with him, and hears from the campground manager that some campers have been leaving without paying lately, as though they had been spirited away. It was a terrifying forest that caused people to disappear one after another.
Reminder that according to the Reference Book (which Ghost Game has followed to a T in almost every instance) Frozomon saves people caught in blizzards and the like (he even has a sword to melt ice), and doesn't cause them. So Frozomon is most likely a red herring and the actual villain is someone who actually creates blizzards as an attack.
I thought this is just Gegege no Kitaro except with Digimon instead of youkai
Levi Allen
Not really filler. Gives another angle on the "Gulus problem".
Ruli and Kiyoshiro are absolutely shit scared of Gulus appearing again, to the point they'll hack Hiro's computer to find out where he is so he has no chance of obtaining it.
Brody Peterson
Its trying to be. You can pretty much see the tamer equivalent of each character of the cast.
Michael Perez
>inb4 Ruri and Kiyoshiro's constant supervision is what causes Gulus to come out again
Gabriel Mitchell
>Ruli and Kiyoshiro are absolutely shit scared of Gulus appearing again And the bad impression they have of Gulus is all their fault. They attacked him and Gulus responded.
It can be perceived as alot of series but they're basically fighting enemy stands but with evil Digimon as bizarre shit keeps happening
Michael Baker
Possibly. Hiro WANTS to see Gulus again. They won't let him.
I wouldn't say Gulus is completely innocent in that scenario.
Jacob Price
>getting to the point where I just skip episodes and just read the threads to see if anything happenend/10 I am quite ready for the plot to kick in
Ryder Perez
Funny how Ruri is rejecting Gulus so strongly when Lamortmon is a dark evo in all but name
Nathan Lewis
>muh plot Fuck off.
Lincoln Rogers
>muh plot Yes
Cameron Gonzalez
Could they do an "aura tease" for Lamortmon next week? It would be peculiar.
Connor Johnson
You might as well drop the show and pick it back up once it's over.
Landon Hall
It feels like they're taking it slow so that when plot stuff actually hits it'll hit hard.
Josiah Myers
How did you handle all the other Digimon series then?
Tyler Green
If next week is the catalyst then I have no fucking idea where the show's going to take us. It genuinely looks like one of the most depressing episodes in the franchise's history.
Angel Cox
You say that as if most season didn't have a plot
Aaron Scott
>A fucking zamboni
Would laugh if its somehow tied to Sealsdramon/the D-Brigade. Even funnier (very low chance) if we get edgy batbunny from this episode rather than edge Gammamon
I just noticed Jellymon changes the way she speaks when she evolves. I wonder if they'll keep doing it when she reaches her perfect and ultimate forms.
Xavier Gomez
That and he's a recolor and Ghost Game has a massive stiffy for DW recolors.
Yes it did. Adventures had devimon/etemon and the crests Tamers had hypnos and the devas. Savers did start out motw, but dropped it by episode 10. And comparing ghost game to any of the other series is not a good sign
Oliver King
>Adventures had devimon/etemon and the crests Episodes 14-21 was arguably the least focused part of Adventure.
Ethan Lopez
It had them collecting the crests, skullgreymon, piximon's training and the whole pyramid raid.
Carter Ward
Those weren't really following a strict plotline though, that's my point.
Cooper Hall
I'm okay with the plot not yet kicking because to me the cast is so delightfully enjoyable it excuses the lack of objectivity. But I can see it might be getting old.
Dominic Morales
I expect Hiro is the kind pussy who'd choose Bonds.
The crests and the final stretch are relevant. SkullGreymon was one-and-done. Dark evos didn't end up mattering much, especially when Yamato went full tard at some point.
Isaac Garcia
It did. It was all about getting stronger to deal with the stronger threats they are going to have to face off against which was etemon in this case. You might argue that etemon is a shit villain or whatever, but he was a legit threat that they somehow had to find a way to deal with which those episodes centered around.
Jordan Thomas
Also even if you don't agree with that Etemon's arc came after the whole devimon/black gear arc and it's climax.
Parker Richardson
I've said nothing of the sort about the quality of those episodes, don't put words into my mouth.
I'm just saying those episodes are probably where Adventure is at its lowest level of focus in terms of a plotline; as you've described, they do multiple things before finally battling Etemon.
I've no idea what you're even trying to say at this point.
Benjamin Myers
Ghost Game's weakness is the lack of real plot, but them's the breaks when the writers are scared of accidentally making Nidhoggmon level trainwrecks. MoTW stuff is just Appmon but less cringe/no one is Astra tier terrible
Caleb Taylor
Now I think about it, the Tokyo arc is probably the least focused part of Adventure. It's similar to the Etemon arc in how it addresses various points, but it's a slight bit longer.
What I meant by focus was they're not like the Devimon or PicoDevimon arcs where there are clear "parts of the jigsaw" being completed, if you get what I mean.
Adam Flores
>MoTW stuff is just Appmon but less cringe/no one is Astra tier terrible I find it funny that GG had an actual fart joke that was somehow more tolerable than Astra describing farts in Appmon.
Tyler Lee
Why this obsession with astra being terrible when he had a pretty great partnership with musimon? Sure rei was the best, but haru and eri were worse than astra overall.
Brandon Thomas
Because he was an absolute fucking irritant from day 1. Doesn't matter that his relationship with Musimon was good, he was completely insufferable. Rei and Hajime were the only tolerable members of the main cast. Haru is one of the worst goggleheads the show's had. Appmon's first episode is by far the worst opening episode of a Digimon season.
And GG already had Gulus, the evolution episodes, Sistermon, and the episodes where a reoccurring Digimon appears. Also all the series you brought up were mostly filler just like GG
Austin Edwards
All the series were MotW early on so what's your point?
Liam Ross
>I've no idea what you're even trying to say at this point That adventure already had an entire plotline that it finished and payed off with devimon and file island. And despite etemon's arc shortcoming it still has more of a plot thread with etemon pushing their shit in compared to ghost game's episodes which is just random digimon causes some trouble and then promptly fucks off by the end of the episode. Plus they found their crests during those episodes which are important part of the narrative.
John Brown
>just random digimon causes some trouble and then promptly fucks off by the end of the episode >Implying Zassoumon, Phelesmon, Dracumon, and GulusGammamon aren't 100% going to come back later
Evan Brown
So muh plotfag just want a big baddie to show up and say "i'm the big baddie behind everything, look forward to my death" already
Jayden Foster
They want their precious og or tamer plot but of course ignore all the non plot episodes in them.
Samuel Diaz
By this time in most series, we had more headway.
>Adventure Devimon was defeated, people were getting their Crests, and Etemon was an established threat.
>02 The cast were getting their second armor forms and we were nearing the end of the Kaiser arc.
>Tamers Also a camping episode, coincidentally enough. But by then, they'd defeated three of the Devas, got hints about who they are, and Guilmon got his Perfect form.
>Frontier Beast Spirits were revealed, and we had those evil spirit guys.
>Savers The Tarzan kid was around
>Xros Wars Decent headway into conquering the Digital World. We got Beelzebumon and Shoutmon X4B. The rival factions were established.
We learned a lot about Ghost Game's mechanics, but in terms of actual plot, we just have crumbs and a few threads that MIGHT lead somewhere down the line.
James Miller
Do you think this will get over 50 episodes like the previous series ?
Hudson Gomez
>ITT: user doesn't understand the meaning of slow burn
Cooper Allen
I hope so. Plot aside, I genuinely love the cast this time around.
There's a difference between a slow burn and meandering.
Robert Green
>muh fast pacing gulus and the digimon factions are what's setup. Same thing as gegege kitaro, a war is about to happen and the digimon want their new land.
Landon White
Look on the bright side at least the human cast of ghost game is somewhat better than the shit cast xros wars and app mon had
Adrian Flores
>Hiro and friends vs: >GulusGammamon (+ maybe BlackAgumon) >Phelesmon and his master (+ Boogiemon army) >Dracumon >Elder Zassoumon and his Zassoumon army (+ maybe Jyureimon) >The mysterious force causing Digimon to end up in the human world An all out war is 100% happening sometime in the future. The question is if the villains will work together or if they'll fight each other too.
Chase Taylor
I liked Taiki, he was a breath of fresh air after the last couple of guys. But yeah, Ghost Game has a stronger cast this time around. The writing is also pretty good overall. I wouldn't have made it this far if the characters and many of the mysteries weren't so engrossing.
Angel Garcia
I hope you're right because that sounds great. But that's all assumption at this point. Many of these enemies could just show up once or twice more and lose, or get the Clockmon treatment. I don't think Elder Zassoumon would make for an interesting villain regardless of what happens.
As it stands, pieces are being set up but there's been so little payoff yet. Even slow burns have a clearer direction by now.
Wyatt Cook
People wouldnt complain if the series wasnt putting these "plot advancing" episodes between every 4 or 5 filler episodes.
Joshua Richardson
Well the writer of the V tamer manga is helping with the writing. How usually is the pacing in his stories ?
Nicholas Brown
tbf today's episode wasn't completely filler. It was still mostly filler but it had two important points: >Ruri and Kiyoshiro are scard shitless of Gulus and don't trust Hiro to go off on his own >The gang have the power to beat Perfect-levels if they work together (and with some outside help) Although now that we're nearing the 20 episodes point the filler should hopefully decrease.
Colton Davis
Imagine if the whole cast got dark evolutions? Would be a nice change of pace, especially with how they'd handle it, instead of how they typically use it as a catalyst to reach perfect and/or ultimate level.
Jonathan Martin
Why wouldn't it?
Brayden Stewart
I guess it'll all depend on how long they plan on running Ghost Game. If it's 66+ episodes like Colon, the MotW formula will probably run its course by episode 30.
Blake Barnes
Today episode also made a point to show that Hiro doesn't want to make Gammamon kill another digimon and so tried to find a way to just chase Cherrymon away. Morishellmon chastised him for that nativity multiple times. I bet it's gonna come back and bite him in the ass in one of the future episodes.
Carson Hill
>I bet it's gonna come back and bite him in the ass in one of the future episodes I feel like this will be Phelesmon. They let him escape and he explicitly said he was going to continue pulling the "scare people so that his buddies can fully manifest" bullshit. I can see him coming back alongside his master.
Sebastian Wood
>xros >shit Filtered.
Kayden Campbell
yeah I was filtered cause it was bad
Gabriel Allen
I dont know. Is it a tradition for digimon to do over 50 episodes ?
Jonathan Brown
I don't think we had a series shorter than a full season.
Jacob Ortiz
Well, they did release this series right after the reboot ended. It does make you wonder if Toei's "Digimon" budget might be too low at the moment for a full season.
Although that would explain the QUALITY we are getting in these episodes.
Jaxson Roberts
that facial expression on hiro when he asked about the rumors of being spirited away looked awfully familiar.
>Also, villain just walks away, AGAIN, except he's fucked for the next 50-100 years minimum.
Michael Gray
Since we're on the subject, here's some fun info from one of Toei's fiscal quarter reports
>The 'Other Business' section mentionsa 62% increase from the prior fiscal year. They ascribe this growth to Pretty Cure and Digimon Adventure related events. They note the prolonged coronavirus pandemic has meant a large reduction in events in general, so overall profitability fell even though there was growth from the prior year. (Basically, Pretty Cure and Digimon Adventure made it grow, but that growth is because 2020 was so low, and they obviously aren't back to where it was before, which is their goal.) >Overseas Copyright Business saw significant increase in sales due to apps and merchandise rights. Digimon Adventure sales in North America are listed as a key element. >Their revised earnings forecast (consolidated) for fiscal year ending in March 2022 is up. Sales of merchandise and game rights for Dragon Ball, One Piece, and Digimon Adventure were higher in Europe, US, and China than they had estimated during their previous forecast. >This, and related financial documents show that continuing the general trend we've seen in the last few of these, the brand is doing well, and is a major part of business for Toei. Licensing for the brand outside of Japan even has it outpacing various other franchises in those segments that tend to do well for Toei (such as Sailor Moon for example.)
>Under the app section there is a mention of New Century doing well in China, and how it ranked number 1 in the 1st month of it's distribution and it's been near the top of sales rankings since then.
It looks like the brand is doing well, so I'm sure they have some faith in Ghost Game.
Josiah Walker
Why do you people expect good animation when it comes to digimon did you forget that we are talking about Toei ?
Anthony Kelly
at least ghost game doesn't look like this. the bar for toei is dismally low.
Watch more more of their anime that isn't one piece or dbs.
Eli Bailey
So basically its like what I said its mostly MotW with plot sprinkled here and there
Elijah Lopez
Do you mean like dragon quest and precure ?
Wyatt Jenkins
Most of them still had more plot development than Ghost Game, which was the point.
Lucas Ortiz
I wouldn't really call villains that are easily defeated and more villains popping up any different from what GG is doing
Isaiah Evans
I think he's talking about Digimon having shit animation for so long
William Clark
If they want to save the budget of these non-major episodes (like ep 13) for big moments like the episode's fight then I'm all for it.
Wyatt Russell
We had the movies and colon was fine animation wise.
Xavier Green
This would be great. Train will probably be a friend, but a mega being an enemy would be a bit much, even for 3 champs and an ultimate.
Phelesmon gonna build himself up a crew of powerful cronies. We've got lots of allied Digimon as well, and some which could match up with the strong enemies, leading up to Canoweissmon, probably.
Cooper Martin
> movies movies always have better animation
>colon It had a lot QUALITY moments.
Andrew Hernandez
There were arcs and structure, which is more than what Ghost Game has. Devimon shits on the Ghost Game villains because he had set up and pay-off within 13 episodes. And a lot of those developments were important. We got Crests, we got the Devas, we almost finished up Ken's story arc, Xros Wars' factions were established. Just because there were MOTW, doesn't mean the story had to stall for them.
Henry Wilson
>Devimon shits on the Ghost Game villains because he had set up and pay-off within 13 episodes Devimon was a shitter who got one-shotted and it has a structure that gets interrupted every other episode
Parker Fisher
Kill yourself OG shitter, devimon was a one off villain and led to nothing.
Zachary Campbell
>they'll fight each other too Kinda like a hunt, or a game ? A ghost game ?
Mason Campbell
That's one series which had an entirely different production team. Look at how Pokemon got fucked over after last season ended because of that
Wyatt Rogers
Devimon wrecked the crew until Angemon showed up, and even then Angemon ended up reverting to an egg. He was still intimidating and created a lot of chaos.
>it has a structure that gets interrupted every other episode Which is better than Ghost Game's barely-there structure.
Michael Phillips
Devimon wasn't part of the main plot, but he was a great starter villain. He did more to cast a shadow over the first 13 episodes than any of the Ghost Game villains have in 16. The closest we have is GulusGammamon, who will definitely be better in the long run but so far only appeared in the back half of one episode.
Zachary Martinez
>clips through leg was there anything good about tri?
Robert Martin
Xros Wars is just all the issues Colon has (MC wank, shallow cast) but more effort put in some of it
Ryan Russell
>but he was a great starter villain He was threatening in that he was strong, but he was too strong. He easily beat every champion until Angemon got his plot attack off that one shot him. It'd be like if Phelesmon was set up as a pretty big bad for 10 eps, then he comes up on the GG crew and easily beats all of them. Then idk, Bakumon evolves and one shots Phelesmon, then he dies and becomes a Digitama.
Michael Diaz
>tfw no qt manjaw aibou
Lucas Peterson
If that all it takes to be defeated then you failed as a villain. And no the structure is fighting Digimon they'll meet later which is why they're not defeated
Joshua Ross
Devimon's defeat was weird, but he served his purpose as a villain. With Devimon, he actively sent minions out to stop the gang, or he corrupted others. He also separated everyone, forcing them to go through trials and eventually unite. The characters were building up to reunite and fight him.
In Ghost Game, the villains so far have had no lasting impact, except for Gulus. Maybe we'll get this all-out war, but so far that's just assumption because they haven't actively built up any story beyond gathering bodies. You actually need to build things up instead of just setting up things and forgetting about them for 10 episodes before dropping them back in.
This is why people are complaining. Yeah, Ghost Game will eventually have pay-off. But so far, the set-up has been dull. There's so much more that could be done to better establish their threats, what's going on, and provide direction. And I don't think it's worth sitting through a couple of shitty fillers just so shitty villains can show up later and either do their shit, or just act as another body.
Alexander Adams
Hiro´s softness almost made Gammamon & everybody around him get killed. I wonder how the writers are gonna deal with this plot detail.
Brody Adams
Hiro will need to learn some digimon are better off being killed and reborn. And when he accepts that Gulus Gammamon will be the default adult for Gammamon
Ryder Carter
>NeoIceDevimon never there's already MarineDevimon for that he melted after SHINKAAA
A lot of people are complaining about the pacing. Not just on on Any Forums, but anime forums and Digimon forums. And the complaints have been growing. Today's episode seems to have gotten a meh reception at best. People also shat on other episodes, like the siren episode and the bird episode. Ghost Game overall has been received well, but you can't just ignore the criticism it's getting.
Cooper Morales
Yeah the muppet face doesnt help.
Brayden Collins
Is Hiro´s mindset right or not?
Eli Collins
He'll be proven right at the end because Muh Redemption, or they'll sidestep the problem by having a villain kill their enemies, or he'll be "right" simply because killing would fuel GulusGammamon.
Wyatt Perez
I really hope not. There's been a dozen shitters that have gotten BTFO and had to dip out at this point. If we really have to relive all their crappy MotW subplots again, I'm done.
Anthony King
He doesn't want his little brother to become essentially a vessel for a killing machine (where the onus would still fall on Gammamon despite Gulus being its own entity at this point). He's not wrong for not wanting Gammamon/Betel to burn up another Digimon when he can barely comprehend the idea of death.
We'll have to see where things go and what things may change, but I wouldn't say he's wrong. He's absolutely not wrong for not wanting his adopted brother to kill others.
Caleb Torres
Big top from a triceratops...
Nicholas Jenkins
>edge Gammamon >Default
I'd settle for Kaus.
In terms of padding episodes 6 and 7 are still better than the Yukidaru/Frigimon episode of Adventure 1999/Vilemon episode of Tamers/almost every early Savers MotW.
Jack Richardson
That's not saying much. And it still doesn't address the main complaint about Ghost Game's overall pacing
Lucas Long
Kaus and Wezen are both specialized. Imagine Kaus in an enclosed space, or Wezen in a hallway (he couldn't even turn around cause of his shape). Betel will always be the default. Gulus may become something of an ally at some point, or not. Seems like if he was he'd be too strong.
Adrian Miller
>Hiro finds out a certain Digimon killed his dad months ago >forces Gammamon to go Gulus and kill it >Gulus is extremely pleased they are finally speaking the same language >Hiro starts going full digimon emperor, hunting down powerful digimon and defeating them >Galus gets to know Hiro better, and he starts to understand how much both Hiro and himself are hurting >Gulus himself is the one who has to put his foot down and snap him out of it when Hiro tries to pick a fight with a powerful but entirely nonviolent Digimon
Luis Robinson
That would be interesting, but we have 2 other characters, and this sounds more plausible if Hiro was the only one around.
Sebastian Adams
they can get a B plot about trying to find Hiro but stumbling onto the end of the world prophecy or something
Aiden Wright
No.
Easton Butler
so Hiro and GulusGammamon are going to Jogress when they reconcile, right?
Logan Cox
Kek. Necrobumpers saved the thread from page 10 again.
I bumped it because I haven't seen the episode yet and didn't want the thread to fall off.
Austin Hall
I mean, this time we get the justification that Hiro just wanted to chase him away as he's afraid letty Gammamon kill will lead to the reawakening of Gulus
Carter Sullivan
Link broken?
Ayden Taylor
Works for me.
David Flores
Strange.
Camden Rodriguez
So is this leading to an all out war between remaining good guys and the bad ones who walked away?
Jason Morris
Ah I see people have been speculating about this earlier in the thread already.
Jacob Collins
Angoromon's perfect/ultimate does have dark evo vibes because it looks so feral
Ayden Nguyen
No.
Frozomon for definite and possibly FrosVelgrmon.
William Wood
She poops in the wood
Zachary Brooks
Digimon Tamers is way better
Jace Morgan
Disgusting.
Ethan Thompson
Nice episode. Wish we would have gotten more of Hiro and Gammamon brotherly bonding.
Hudson Anderson
>Jellymon is the type of girlfriend that would inspect thoroughly your browser history Oh no.
Landon Taylor
>Kiyoshiro is completely against compromising Hiro's room and PC >Jellymon just asks Gammamon for the password The Jelly does what the Jelly wants.