How do you think the original run of Toonami changed the cartoon industry?

Pokemon didn’t make anime popular, it made Pokemon popular. Pokemon had so much shit going for it simultaneously, the games, the cards, the anime, and a fuckload of other merch. Each one of those was pulling its own weight

the other weird thing of the time was that the only ones who tried to copy CN were broadcast networks - mainly Fox Kids and Kids WB
on cable CN seemed to have the anime monopoly

Imagine if Nick had anime. Nicktoons anime.
We got Avatar thankfully though which honestly felt and still does feel out of place compared to the rest of their lineup

Even ignoring the argument of whether 'it was Pokemon that made anime popular' it had a larger overal impact on Western Television. DBZ probably still has a bigger hold on what Westerners impression of anime is though. Pokemon being introduced into the production zeitgeist is what caused a stir though; so many shows either cancelled or not put into production because it had companies realize it was more cost-effective to air cheaply dubbed anime they didn't have to pay to create versus paying the production of a whole series, usually from the ground up. And if the anime wasn't a hit, it was less of a loss as well, because less money was put into it. That being said, because of how quickly the internet took off in the second have of the 00s, it ultimately fractured what could have been a longer stream of anime releases. If people had kept tuning in and advertisers kept paying for those views, the anime landscape in the west could have been different.

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They replaced Toonami with Miguzi which was French cartoons rather than japanese ones. I have no idea why they did this. But honestly I liked some of the cartoons on that block but it definitely wasn't as good and not nearly as fondly remembered.

>so many shows either cancelled or not put into production because it had companies realize it was more cost-effective to air cheaply dubbed anime they didn't have to pay to create versus paying the production of a whole series, usually from the ground up. And if the anime wasn't a hit, it was less of a loss as well,
I have so many mixed feeling about this.
On one end it made anime popular in the west which is huge, I mean seriously Anime being popular is more than just a cartoons thing, anime caused the west to fall in love with Japan and the east in general, it was literally an important moment in human culture as strange as that sounds. It also lead to a bunch of anime wanna bes. Most were complete shit but a few were God Tier (Avatar, Samurai Jack).
But it also lead to a death of cartoons for a while where everything airing was either an anime or wanted to be an anime with almost nothing else on Saturday mornings.

You have to keep in mind how difficult access to dubbed anime was just a little over a decade ago. The current system has us super spoiled.
>dubs came out 2+ years after the show aired in Japan at the fastest
>even anime meant for kids in Japan doesn’t meet western broadcast standards without censorship, especially back in the early 00s
>anime doesn’t fit in western timeslots without cuts to the OP/ED
>boomers in charge of programming knew nothing about anime to even start a block
It’s easy to forget how difficult making a competing block would have been

It's honestly a miracle Toonami started at all. It was just 2 weeaboos who were into anime back in the dark era putting on what they liked. If by pure chance it wasn't them picked, anime would likely still be in it's infancy in the west.

Thats not right. Miguzi took the after school timeslot, while Toonami relocated to Saturday nights. Miguzi still aired some anime like Yugioh GX. Moving Toonami later allowed it to push the boundaries of CN a little further. Naruto was the first PG show the network ever aired. It was a huge leap for them

nick had the 'lets just copy anime' idea way before avatar
youtube.com/watch?v=sBgkLxw-6Xk
supposedly 9/11 put a cork in it
dont know why nick just refused to license anime. they had no problem with it in the 80s

>Thats not right. Miguzi took the after school timeslot
Toonami was originally the after school block.
And again I like the Frogs but I don't understand why they did it financially.

Toonami started as a rerun action block on CN with Superfriends, and Thundercats in March 1997. Way before anime appeared on it.

It worked because at the time, Demarco and Gil were young and in the know. They knew what was hot and what would be the most likely to succeed. Other networks didn’t have the benefit of two guys in their mid 20s working for them to do that.

The problem with the current iteration of Toonami is that Demarco and Gil never left this mindset. They continue to treat the block like it’s 2001, and that’s what has driven most of the audience away

the first point doesnt seem like a problem since there was a huge backlog of dubbed titles from central park media, us manga corps, pioneer, etc

points 2 and 4 seem like the real problem. yet somehow CN got fucking tenchi to air on a children's block, so it was doable

Yes but it was started by two weebs who wanted to put anime on it, they couldn't do it day 1 because they didn't have the budget. They worked their way up to it.
Reusing old shows was a million times cheaper until they could get an anime and they were lucky or smart to have picked Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon as the first 2.

I just told you. Because they wanted TOM to host the more “mature” Saturday night slot with anime

early CN was like the fucking wild west
just all these bored 20/30 somethings that got all kinds of freedom from turner to do whatever the hell they wanted
the warner takeover killed all that

>The problem with the current iteration of Toonami is that Demarco and Gil never left this mindset. They continue to treat the block like it’s 2001, and that’s what has driven most of the audience away
What do you mean? How is this bad?
Yes but that doesn't explain it from a financial standpoint. If a block is popular you generally expand it, not limit it. Yes it was good for the viewer that we got to see uncut anime, but from a pure money standpoint you would think they would have milked it for all it was worth.

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Sure they existed, but did those backroom tier companies have the means to sell TV rights? Most of them, no they didn’t.

Yea, they pushed Tenchi on, but not without a ton of edits and censorship. If you remember them airing Outlaw Star, they opted to just delete an entire episode rather than deal with it. That’s effort a lot of networks didn’t want to put forward

>how is it bad that the block is run like it’s still a pre streaming era where they were able to have the attitude of watch it here or nowhere
Are you retarded? People have options now. They don’t HAVE to watch Toonami to experience anime like they did back in the day. Running content from the early 00s and being oblivious to any modern hits and fads are why people have mostly given up on Toonami