I know that the most powerful characters in Marvel and DC characters are reality warpers.
How are two characters that can manipulate reality supposed to fight?
Is there a right way to depict these fights?
Do their reality warping powers cancel each-other out?
Reality warper fight scenes
Julian White
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Jack Adams
>literally a battle of two on the most pure level as they shift reality in their own ways and wrestle for control of it by using the environment to their advantage
>this is somehow a tough thing to depict
Brayden Jenkins
Honestly yes. The whole thing is retarded. That's why having all these characters that are like gods becomes so stupid at times.
Sebastian Carter
The closest thing we came to a reality warper fight scene in animation is this youtube.com
(although maybe someone will post some oscure gem)
In the comics we had:
- Mad Jim Jaspers vs. Fury in Moore's Captain Britain
- Thanos with the gauntlet vs the deities of Marvel from Infinity Gauntlet mini
- Mr. Mxyzptlk vs. Bat-Mite, although this one was kind of lame IIRC and barely had any reality warping
It's a really cool idea and I would love to see more of it in animation and comics but it takes effort on all levels and most people apparently aren't interested in making something at this scope.
Anthony Sanchez
Merlin x.mad madam min
Robert Williams
Most of the time these powers and their side effects are theoretic. In order to get a rough estimation of who would win in a fight, if both characters are reality warpers, is to compare their maximum output within a single universe.
So a character who is only universal would lose to someone who is multiversal, like Molecule Man for example.
Kayden Sanchez
> How are two characters that can manipulate reality supposed to fight?
> Is there a right way to depict these fights?
If the very landscape around the reality warpers isn't changing into something confusing and impossible, your characters are not reality warpers. They are just shooting energy beams at each other with convoluted flavor text. Two reality warpers fighting isn't a barroom brawl, its two immensely powerful beings playing tug of war with every law that runs the world, and the ebb and flow of the fight should be at least a little disorienting to follow. And a lot of what you see should feel wrong and unnatural, because under anything like normal circumstances that wouldn't be happening at all.
So something like this: youtube.com
Joseph James
So kind of like the Mad Jim Jaspers vs Fury fight?
Charles Ross
1. Depends on how much of reality can they manipulate and how much they are affected by said reality. You can have the powers and dish it out but doesn’t mean you can survive everything.
2. It should start small scale basic punches and kicks then gradually growing to doing things like maybe they’ll flip the world or throw a star.
3. Refer to one and also would the two be all powerful or have some weaknesses
Reality warper fights should be fun but not crazy from the start and don’t make both the characters all powerful. Like for my series the MC eventually specs into reality warping via gravity control but only things related to that like being able to change gravity, making a gravity well, an orbit around himself,etc. Higher tier stuff would be like taking gravity from other realties to fuel his moves.
Kayden Brown
The problem with the chaos magic warpers is that they've been written to be absolutists. Either they're just shooting beams and casting low-level magic or they're unilaterally introducing new pages to the script and there's no fight allowed.
Lucas Foster
There. Comic reality warpers have no specific strengths and weaknesses, they really just are tools of the plot. They can do ANYTHING, or nothing at all, and the only deciding factor between the two is author fiat because their reality warping is so incredibly broad.
Consider, instead, someone who is a 'realty warper', but their power is specifically that they can change flip something, anything at all, between its opposites. A bullet reverses direction. Black becomes white, up becomes down, love becomes apathy, etc. This is still an extremely powerful and grand scope of reality warping, but becomes it has a conceptual restriction you know that there are things that are going to fall outside of its scope. You can change the world in any number of ways, but you can't make something from nothing or make tiny specific changes of your choosing. This allows for limitations, gaps in what you want to be able to do, and most importantly *cleverness* in finding ways to use your restricted skillset to accomplish your goals in ways that at first don't seem like you can achieve them.
Asher Hernandez
>This is still an extremely powerful and grand scope of reality warping, but becomes it has a conceptual restriction you know that there are things that are going to fall outside of its scope.
In short: learn from JoJo stands.
Thomas Rodriguez
I mean, yeah. Granted thats a hard hill to climb, most mangaka that try to ape Jojo's style of conflict fail and fail hard. But its still generally the direction you want to take your power showoff fights if you want to do anything more complex than slapfighting with lasers.
Christopher Martinez
The Wolverine fight with Summoner in X of Swords was pretty good.
Asher Butler
Goku solos all reality warpers, GG.
Lincoln Brooks
I don't think either of those characters qualify though. Malleable powers are usually considered their own thing.
Evan Cooper
They don't, but going through multiple universes, time being altered around them, and their bodies getting fucked up because of it gave the impression that reality was actually being warped around them. When actual reality warpers fight, that's what I'd expect to be going on. As explained, it just ends up being glowy fist fight like OP pic.
Justin Smith
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over resetting you to your first appearance. How strong was Goku in the first issue of Dragonball again?
Jordan Johnson
Doesn't always work like that, some writers may be more casual about how easy it is to destroy universes or all of existence and then someone writers will have one character job, Starlin have high tier characters job to Thanos for instance. Then you have a character like Superboy Prime who seems to have an immunity to reality warping so he's like kryptonite against them.
Aiden Johnson
He can probably still be handled by some of them that can manipulate comic page meta.
Zachary Gutierrez
Goku goes faster than your gay abilities and kills you, low difficulty fodder.
Nathan Gomez
>How are two characters that can manipulate reality supposed to fight?
Similar to toonforce duels. They take turns doing nonsensical bullshit to each other. This goes on until one skedaddles, a 3rd player jumps in, somebody reveals they'd been holding back, somebody triggers a geas or gets depowered or falls into a sealing trap, they pull a "you actually already lost and were being fooled by magic bullshit", or somebody gets a midfight powerup (possibly due to a bystander death) and yeets their opponent into a black hole or something.
Elijah King
Superman was hyped against Dr. Manhattan who can warp reality.
Just punch harder.
Grayson Torres
>Mad Jim Jaspers vs. Fury in Moore's Captain Britain
We got a winner
Jose Foster
Strong enough to tell the difference between a man and a woman in a single pat.