Why are there almost no historical-based cartoons?

Cartoons are for children, ergo the only historically based cartoons are those aimed at education/propaganda, so they don't have much commerical success.

Wasn't there a Revolutionary War cartoon recently?

>catholic church in Wallachia
>japanese people and a town full of africans in the middle of Wallachia during the XV century
I mean I know it's fantasy and vampires and shit, but it also doesn't get the historical details of the time either

where can I watch legend?

>Cartoons are for children
False.

Just read manga. Simple as.

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There's also Kingdom (Chinese Warring States period) and Innocent (pre-revolution France). Both pretty cool manga.

I don't know any of those people

Who are they

Liberty's Kids is like 30 years old

Maybe he is talking about Pups of Liberty?

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I wouldn't.

It's strange that it's easier to get european history from the Japanese than it is from western comic book companies. Maybe a little bit of output from france.

Over a decade old.

Eh, there are lots of European historical comics. If by "Western" you have the Americans in mind, then yes, they don't publish historykino.

Because history is boring.

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History is far more interesting than superhero faggotry.

Ad astra is about II Punic war, Any Forums has storytime rn.

They are all educational so don’t get marketing like a typical cartoon would.

Hint: read the image name.

What historical manga would you recommend?

HIDIVE is the only official source currently

Some of the Marshals of Napoleon Bonaparte. They were (typically) his best generals. They weren't quite this pretty irl but they were pretty close.

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This would've been cool
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ogK8uyCUrjA

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Probably would just be too niche of an appeal.
I mean there aren't really a lot of live action history based shows either.

To save as from the historical shitflinging threads they would spawn

There's tons of historical Franco-Belgian comics.

Wasn't there a French cartoon about the Nazi occupation?

cuz real life is boring

That one is Vinland Saga.

Set during the Viking invasion of England.
I also enjoy A Bride's Story.
Set in on the silk road during the 19th centry.

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Because they don't have the budget for historical shows. Doing a historical drama means money for sets, for costumes, for props, for history experts, for training camps the actors might need, for extras and CGI guys when you need to do a big battle scene; and the list just goes on.

Animation doesn't have to worry about most of that shit.

I would love to see a TV show about the French Revolution, starting with Louis XVI making the decision to call the Estates-General and ending with the Coup of 18 Brumaire. Then a sequel series about Napoleon's rule and eventual downfall.

What historical setting would you like a cartoon about?

Imagine recommending Shitland Saga in 2022.
Hyouge Mono
Sangokushi
Takemitsuzamurai
Buddha
Phoenix
This.
That would be a long, clusterfuck series unless heavily truncated, but I'd like that too.

The Affair of the Poisons.

Not my own idea, but I like it:

>I could see a House of Cards-style show about Jiang Zemin. While a show about the PRC would undoubtedly be controversial, that hasn't stopped other things from getting made.

>Our story begins at the twilight of Maoist China, with the prosecution and eventual execution of the Gang of Four. A young Jiang Zemin holds a picture of Jiang Qing, turns to the camera and slyly remarks, "Nothing lasts forever; even the longest, most glittering reign must come to an end someday." Throughout the first season, Jiang Zemin climbs his way up the Shanghai Party ranks, cementing himself as the leader of his personal clique of Shanghai deputies, which catapults him to national politics. This is a rocky road, and we might get several episodes dealing with foreign investors, corruption, personal ties and the lot, essentially a primer on how Chinese politics works. We might get a subplot about the Sino-Vietnamese War or at least a few references to it here.

>Season 2 begins with Jiang's new deputy--Zhu Rongji. Zhu is an honest man, a pragmatic economist who's too good for the government he serves, working his ass off for the prosperity of Shanghai whilst Jiang reaps the benefits, making Jiang seem like a great leader to those who are less informed. Zhu's work makes Jiang somewhat famous amongst the political savvy, but we are shown just how weak Jiang's Shanghai clique is in comparison with reformists under Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang (actual good people who advocate apologizing to the Chinese public! The horror!), or the ever-declining but still prominent princelings, the sons of the great marshals who lay the very foundations of the People's Republic. Jiang has a fight ahead of him...

I'd like a Yang's SAINTS and BOXERS, about the boxer rebellion.

I'd like to see a latin american styled story about the first japanese explorers to go east. They visited fucking Mexico of all places.

I'd like a docupic of Attaturk. Fighting colonial powers, the islamic fundamentalist shithead,s and building turkey into a secular islamic state.

I'd like to see the african slave trade...from the slavers' perspective.

>Season 3. The year is 1986, and China has been overtaken by unrest. Democracy, students say, liberty they cry--but Jiang knows better. He walks up to the students and recites the Gettysburg Address in English. For a moment, it seems like Jiang is capitulating to the dreaded reformists, but then he says, "You only know Lincoln's speech in words, you don't know the historical context of the speech." Lincoln's address referred to American slavery, he says, while China's Communist revolution was aimed at overcoming the exploitation of man by man. All the while, Jiang makes sly remarks to the camera sneering at the prospect of overrated democracy. His resolve catapults him to national politics, and there we meet the Eight Eminent Officials, and see a typically arrogant Jiang bend down and kow-tow.

>Season 4 is a beefy one, as 1989 has come. It's also one where some creative liberties are taken. Hu Yaobang, leader of the reformists has died. Students have come to mourn this great leader, but mourning soon turns into unrest. Now, millions of people from all walks of life have gathered in every major city--even at Tiananmen Square, just outside the leadership's headquarters in Zhongnanhai. The Party is led by the well-meaning but ineffectual Zhao Ziyang, a reformist in the vein of Hu Yaobang (who Jiang makes clear he despises). As the mayor of Shanghai and China's most powerful official outside Beijing, Jiang is afforded a seat at the Politburo, where he advises decisive action and crackdowns. But before the party elders can come to a conclusion, the unthinkable happens. That damned fool Zhao Ziyang walks amongst the students and tells them,

>"Students, we came too late. We are sorry. You talk about us, criticize us, it is all necessary. The reason that I came here is not to ask for your forgiveness. What I want to say is that you are all getting weak, it has been seven days since you went on a hunger strike, you can't continue like this. As time goes on, your body will be damaged beyond repair, it could be very life-threatening..."

>"You are still young, we are old, you must live healthy, and see the day when China accomplishes the Four Modernizations. You are not like us. We are already old, we do not matter anymore. It is not easy for this nation and your parents to support your college studies. Now you are all about 20, and about to sacrifice your lives so easily, students, couldn't you think rationally? Now the situation is very serious, you all know, the Party and the nation is very antsy, our society is very worried. Besides, Beijing is the capital, the situation is getting worse and worse everywhere, this cannot continue. Students, you all have good will, and are for the good of our nation, but if this situation continues, loses control, it will have serious consequences elsewhere."

>This shocks and outrages party leadership. What's more, Zhao's speech has been broadcast on CCTV, China's state-run TV station. All of China now thinks the party is ready to step down. But then comes the twist--unbeknownst to Jiang, Zhao had already been ousted by the elders before his (in)famous speech, and was acting out of line. Zhao will have to go, and Jiang helps Premier Li Peng (a Machiavellian character on par with Jiang that deserves his own show) declare martial law and send in the tanks. In the nights after the Tiananmen Massacre, the Party argues over who shall lead them next. The answer, the party elders say, is Jiang Zemin, the one who forsaw all this. We end with Jiang Zemin strolling through the charred remains of Tiananmen Square, attracting the gaze of the brave few civilians who dare come to the Square--perhaps to recover the dead. Jiang pays these peasants no heed, and finally enters Zhongnanhai, the beating heart of the Chinese Communist Party. Say goodbye to Mayor Jiang, and say hello to General Secretary Jiang.

There's nothing that would work better in a cartoon than in live-action

I think it might be a good idea to end the show here. The American HoC was plagued by a lack of direction after Underwood became President, and I feel like Jiang's presidency would be far less interesting than his road to Zhongnanhai. Creative liberties will have to be taken to keep things interesting, but if there's enough demand for it...

>Season 5 begins as Jiang visits Zhao Ziyang, the latter of which has been placed under house arrest. We might get an interesting exchange between the two, with Jiang lambasting Zhao for his naivetie, and telling Zhao that the blood of Tiananmen Square was on the reformist's hands. Jiang follows his orthodox Communist instincts and attempts to slow the pace of the reforms. Fears abound that China will slip back into Maoism, but Deng Xiaoping, still the puppetmaster behind the scenes not-so-subtly declares China's intent to reform by embarking on a tour of the rapidly modernizing South. Jiang is humiliated, and he is harshly reminded of his small power base in the party. Jiang's flagship initiative for his presidency is the deregulation of the economy and disbandment of state-owned enterprises. To cement his legitimacy, Jiang has to fight off the onslaught of party moderates and liberals, and does what he can to elevate the old gang (Zhu Rongji and the lot) to national politics. Season 5 ends with a victorious Jiang, now in control of the military, politics and economy of China, hailed as the most powerful "Paramount Leader" after Deng Xiaoping.

P.S. Sorry I forgot the greentext in my last post.

>Season 6 lets us see some of China outside the Politburo as the country looks outwards once more. We are introduced to Clinton, a master of political brinksmanship in the vein of HoC's Vladmir Petrov, who seeks to take a strong stance against China. Jiang has to face unexpected American proactivity in the Third Taiwan Strait Crisis (we get a standoff between Chinese destroyers and the might of the USS Nimitz), as well as the Belgrade Embassy Bombing, both of which are resolved in America's favor. Jiang faces a backbench rebellion in the supposed rubberstamp of the National People's Congress and confronts the resurgent reformists under Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao, both of whom are disciples to Hu Yaobang and brothers in arms to Zhao Ziyang. Jiang is only saved by the timely Asian Financial Crisis, where only China comes out relatively unscathed (thanks to Zhu Rongji) and the party applauds Jiang for his leadership. Now at the end of his 10-year term, Jiang retires from Chinese politics, handing over power to Hu Jintao's reformists. The audience is led to believe this is the final season, the grand finale to the series, but the last scene shows us otherwise. At the Jiang family resort, Jiang tells Zhu Rongji and the assembled elders of the Shanghai Clique how being the General Secretary isn't that important. How even without stepping foot in Zhongnanhai, Jiang can stay in power. After all, "The real power isn't here. It's above it, but still working in conjunction with it."

Season 7 has a parallel storyline between Jiang and a young mayor by the name of Xi Jinping. The two are immediately cast as foils. Xi is young, aggressive and open-minded in the same way Jiang is old, reclusive and stubborn. Xi retreads much of Jiang's ground, climbing up the party ranks rung by rung, but he doesn't directly influence Jiang's political life just yet, though his name starts showing up at the Shanghai Clique's meetings. Meanwhile, Jiang Zemin has met Hu Jintao at a national day parade to discuss a smooth transition of power. Hu and the reformists are optimistic at first, but are utterly devastated when they realize the 6 of 9 members of the cabinet are to be from the Shanghai Clique. Not only that, Jiang Zemin is to remain Chairman of the Central Military Commission indefinitely. Hu Jintao doesn't show it, but he is outraged. Jiang points to the armies parading before them, and remarks that the Chinese Army is Jiang's to command, not Hu's. Shanghai and the Reformists fight each other for dominance, but Hu proves to be a savvier political actor than his nice guy demeanor lets off. Hu outmaneuvers Jiang by rallying the moderates and princelings, warning of a return to Maoism under Jiang. Though the Shanghai Clique is sent packing, all this has come at a high political cost, and Hu is forced to share power with almost all factions of the Communist Party. Hu calls it "intraparty democracy", but a bitter Jiang knows better.

>Season 8 takes a stranger pattern, as the first half of the season is devoted to Xi Jinping, with only passing references to Jiang. We simply don't know enough about Jiang's actions at this period in time to show anything. Xi is a politically supercharged rising star who has taken Shanghai by storm, and is able to take full advantage of political division in Hu's cabinet to make a name for himself. Opposite Xi is the neo-Maoist Bo Xilai, who has instituted a regime of Marxist-Leninist propaganda in the Province of Sichuan, too radical even for the Shanghai Clique. With that brief overture out of the way, we come back to Jiang. Jiang stubbornly holds onto his last asset in party politics--the military. The PLA is not just a military force, but also a political and economic force. Numerous strategic industries are under army control (and by extension, Jiang's control), resisting Hu's numerous attempts to dislodge them. We also now get to know Jiang as a person better. Age has caught up with this already unhealthy, obese individual, and the audience is shown Jiang's strength of will to continue despite being well into his eighties.

You should make this shit in webcomic form. People have no fucking clue how china's politics works, and it's incredibly frustrating to try to get them to not run headfirst into stupid shit.

Season 9 starts with Jiang looking in from the sidelines as Xi Jinping is sworn in as Vice President of the PRC. Xi is a princeling, and his entry is much appreciated by this declining faction--bad news for Jiang. Jiang tries to push Bo Xilai as an alternative to Xi, with the two prospective Presidents running across China, waving to the people and getting to know political elites--it's almost like a campaign trail. Just as Bo Xilai seems close to victory, a story breaks of the killing of British citizen Neil Heywood by Bo's wife. Bo's faction implodes and faces further investigations on the many crimes he has committed along the years. Jiang's opposition cannot stop Xi's meteoric rise, and Jiang finds himself listening to President Xi give his inaugural speech. In an attempt to rally the troops, Jiang goes to Hainan and climbs Dongshan Ridge, a scenic spot in the province. After this demonstration of his strength of will even in his advanced age, Jiang cries out, "Jiang came here! It's a worthwhile trip!" All across China, the old members of the Shanghai Clique mobilize their political capital for a final showdown...

>Season 10 opens with the trial of Bo Xilai, and we are given explicit references to the trial of Jiang Qing in Season 1. Jiang ponders his political future, and soon determines to meet the "Old Red faction", a clique of orthodox Marxists centered around Manchuria. The old reds are terrified at Xi's rapid consolidation of power, and fear that their power base might soon be subject to Xi's reign of terror. Jiang recruits more and more of the political class when 260,000 members of the Communist Party are jailed for corruption. Xi recruits Wang Qishan, who is jokingly called the "anti-corruption tsar", and with his help tries to take the PLA under his control, but that is where Jiang draws the line. Talks of a coup are thrown around (for dramatic purposes rather than historical accuracy), with PLA officers soon swearing allegiance to Xi and Jiang respectively. Ultimately, a traitor within the Jiangist PLA exposes the corrupt dealings of Jiang's top man in the army, Xu Caihou. Xu is purged and the battle for the PLA is lost. With the Shanghai Clique in full retreat, Jiang finds that he has been increasingly marginalized in party politics. Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping, whilst not liking each other still hate Jiang Zemin, and mockingly help him take his seat at the 20th Party Congress (a fictional one, the 20th party congress is in 2022) as if Jiang were a baby learning to walk and talk. Jiang knows when he has lost and suffers from indecision as the last Shanghai Clique loyalists beg for instructions that Jiang can't give. The series ends with Jiang staring blindly into the distance as a guest of honour at the Party Congress, realizing that he is an old man in a young party.

P.S. Sorry about forgetting the greentext again.

...You just wanted an excuse to share a rejected show pitch with strangers on the Internet, didn't you? Next time, try to keep things brief.

Because you have to give some leeway to historical accuracy to tell a compelling story. Then the historyfags will seethe and dismiss the work as trash because of how inaccurate it is. Your better off watching actual history documentaries than something made for entertainment that's only loosely based on historical events or persons.

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Because nobody watched the western cartoons like Calamity Jane.

>some leeway
>some

That show took so much fucking leeway it pisses me off even now.

furry Benjamin Franklin?!?

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I'm still surprised this aired on PBS Kids. Then again, they showed the Redwall cartoon, so...

What about paintings from after they'd died and could no longer have you killed for an unflattering portrait?

Rose of Versailles, if you're okay with Any Forums stuff. It is more about why the revolution happened in the first place tho. Starts at Marie Antoinette's wedding and ends fairly shortly after her executionvon Fersen's few pages long epilogue notwithstanding.

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If you believe that you are either a child or just immensely stupid. I’m going to guess it’s both in your case.