Would anyone be interested in a thread discussing mind control purely as a plot device and thematic element in cartoon...

Well, there’s actually a bit of a difference between simple mind control and brainwashing

No.
but for horny reasons...

Would you be willing to have an academic discussion about those horny elements?

It seems like hypnosis fetishism tends to come from the same place power fantasies come from. The thing is though, I've noticed it's also a heavily male fetish. I think it's fair to say that men dominate women physically, so the hypnosis fetish tends to be a continuation of that thought into mental domination. Joo De is a prime example, as her individual identity has practically been wiped completely away, replaced with a drive to serve whoever they are assigned to.

That is a very interesting assessment however there are also some women who actually enjoy dominance and submission through hypnosis
I think it fully ties in with BDSM but has more to do with trust and the idea of someone’s most in intimate part. The mind is the most vulnerable part of a person and thus is the part that we treasure most. I believe this is also why movies like Invasion of The Body snatchers and beings like the Borg, zombies, and Starro seem so terrifying while more humanlike beings with mind control seem so “sexy.” It’s the idea of some kind of wild animal or disease violating that piece of us that is so horrific because it lacks the human touch that can make it pleasant

I know this is a veiled fetish thread but I did have a crappy comic idea where one of the main characters had been revived by a water dragon god since she was a child. The threat of the water dragon would slowly escalate in the background as the cast go through more standard action conflicts like monster of the week, war with another country, political drama etc. As she uses her powers more it would eventually become a corruption type of mind control, complete with her transformation into a humanoid(?) dragon with fangs and horns. The supporting cast are completely fucked over since they had no idea this issue was right under their noses until its too late. Also, a main question would be if she was being piloted by the water dragon the entire time, biding her time and building her strength.

It’s not, see But that’s an incredibly cool concept and I love the questions of identity it brings up

I guess not anymore

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I think mind control should be treated as an inherently violent act, like punching someone in the face. It's fine to do to a bad guy while they're a threat but you shouldn't be allowed to assault them once they are subdued. Every time a telepath uses their powers on someone, ask if it would also be acceptable to accomplish the same result with a physical attack.
In the same way mind reading (exposing someone's mental self) should be looked at as akin to exposing someone's physical self. Totally acceptable if consenting or necessary, but disrespectful and violating if not.

>make serious hypnosis thread
>almost everyone spamming fetish porn
>make fetish thread disguised as serious thread
>people take it seriously, almost zero porn in sight

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I don't actually remember many instances of this but I remember whenever me and my friends played pretend we would do this.

>I think mind control should be treated as an inherently violent act, like punching someone in the face. It's fine to do to a bad guy while they're a threat but you shouldn't be allowed to assault them once they are subdued.
I agree completely and this is why I believe that the key to a good character capable of mind control is restraint. I’ve toyed a bit with the idea of one such character who hates physical violence and I always think of a similar approach. Good for subduing people and with consent but beyond they it’s unacceptable. I also think it’s possible for small gags and favors to come from it but only among very close friends, the same way some people lightly punch or prank their mates

Hypnosis and suggestion could be used as a potential idea. I feel like full mind-control can be boring, but working with the concept of somebody whose fundamentally the same but with a variation on their personality or an implanted memory that makes their life go down on a different path. One idea that could be used is that a character's nature goes contrary to the story they've been told.

I always thought of a limited form of mind control in the form of extreme self-confidence or just general suggestions could work. Maybe some sort of character who is able to become stronger if others support them.

That sounds neat
Personally I’ve been working a bit on a character with this ability since it seemed inherently evil where it works on a sliding scale depending on how much energy she puts to her eyes, though sometimes it activates based on moments of anger
However the story was less about her using it and more about how other people saw her and how she tried to help people despite her power and many personality flaws. She mostly just uses it for crowd control during panics and dulling pain though she’ll give an occasional confidence boost or calmness trigger word if you ask her

It's a cheap way to make conflict, the fact that it activates the almonds of a few weirdos shouldn't distract you from the fact that 95% of the time is just lazy writing to reach a scenario without affecting the status quo

Isn't that the plot of Scooby Doo Movie; Legend of the Phantosaur?

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I think Mind Control in media/stories tends to fall into three categories;
1) Over-riding personality/morals/outlook:
This one is probably the most common where its basically turning the character to a different side. Its probably the most common one because it basically just the same character but with goals and motive changed which means they can be as effective as before but with a different bent.

2) The Robot Control;
This is the second most common one and its usually done to be evil by the guy doing it. This is done to sort of get the the skills of the character buts its mostly just to get the numbers of them to work for them. It doesn't make the character as effective but it doesn't matter since they aren't wanted for their specific capabilities but just for their body.

3) 'Your sight isn't your own';
This is the least used but tends to be the more interesting but harder to work with. Basically, this one is less about actual mind control but controlling what the character sees and percieves which can change a lot. Its similar to the first but instead of putting the work on changing the internals of the character, its all about changing the externals that affect them.

From this, there is really only two ways mind control seems to be removed.

A), The appeal to the heart;
This is "I'm your real friend" or "This is who you really are" tactic and its basically there to get you to realize the connections the characters have or such. The best example (and maybe subversion) is basically Goku V Majin Vegeta fight since while the fight is instigated due to the mind control, the way out of it is appealing to who Vegeta really is and then going from there.

B), Breaking the computer;
This is the least connected way but its important to have since it narratively means that all the actions were not their own and so have no responsibility to the character themselves even though the later story arc tends to be about getting over the fact they were controled

nope

the most heroic use I can think of is assuming direct control over an entire team of people to pull off some plan as smoothly as possible. no room for miscommunication when one person can see and hear everything.

Externals tried this. Unfortunately he was very immoral

well shit

It was a good concept… it just happens that the dude doing it used his powers to kidnap a bunch of Spanish conquistadors and Aztecs and then started a commune in the woods for several hundred years
A more moral person would have a better method

I've been watching Reeboot lately and getting to Daemon reminds me of how I really like how she's done. The idea of something so outwardly non-threatening slowly taking over again in a kind of non-threatening way like she does is a novel concept and off the top of my head I haven't really seen something like that.

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Yeah, that’s a pretty interesting approach

Doing that runs into the X-men situation where the good guys start acting worse than the bad guys cause they "know" better. I'd perfer stories where it is still considered wrong but the results are something people have a hard time arguing with. Say like the DC's Indigo Tribe. They pretty much fundamentally change a person but for the better.

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This is why shy insecure mind controllers are the best. They doubt themselves so they never really think of themselves as better

nah, those are the ones who end up living vicariously through someone more attractive and confident than them.
fact is, mind control, like telepathy or anything else that interferes with people's thoughts, is an inherently evil power and worthy of genocide.

Show me some PLOT, THEME and NARRATIVES.

no it isn't. LETS SEE SOME PLOT.

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You people are why Magneto will never die

Holy newfag, batman

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You don't have to genocide them just make them harmless

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How bout a different method of making them harmless?

I like mind control and freeuse porn, really nice desu

How? There's not a lot of ways to deal with them.

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Why do you try to make everything about you, Karren?

Pied Piper is one of the few characters with access to the Anti-Life equation. That's how his music controls people.

He's one of those Literal-Who villains. I'll always remember him in the Countdown to Final Crisis comics, where he's handcuffed to the dead body of Trickster.

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Bunp

That’s pretty neat

Ah the good old days. My friends had far more messed up and gory fantasies

>Would anyone be interested in a thread discussing mind control purely as a plot device and thematic element in cartoon narratives?

Sure, I feel they often avoid or soften how scary such a thing would actually be, or how quickly governments would be eating that shit up once discovered, although that ties with telepathy stuff generally.

As far as good guys using mind control, I think a lot of that gets into morally grey areas pretty quickly even if you think you're the good guy since in the end you're stripping a person of their free will and forcing them to do things, and it doesn't mean they've actually become moral or something but simply that you've altered them to be that way, there's no moral choice that they're making, Clockwork Orange stuff.

>once discovered
Reminder that MK Ultra was moderately successful even in the papers the CIA didn't destroy and thought was safe to be investigated. Reminder that Manson figured out a way to break someone's brain down with pleasure and LCD over the course of days till they willingly killed for him and even when fairly lucid and away from him would snap back into being a loyal follower any time he was in their presence.

Reminder that during the summer of love before the family was a thing Manson regularly visited a clinic which held staff with direct MK Ultra connections. He also had minor to major offenses constantly yet stayed out of jail and had a parole officer where he was the guys only client.

Hypnotism and mind control is very real. It's just not a scifi or psychic thing.

Some of the shit they got with the remote viewing projects were pretty wild as well, like getting the heads up on the Akula class submarines the Russians were working on.

I'm a sucker for it despite how cheap it can be, mostly cause I think it's fun to see a main character be antagonistic for a bit. Sometimes it'll provide a rare opportunity for the character to say things they've always had on their minds but never said it out loud for obvious reasons. Or a character has been holding back the whole time and actually goes all out when fighting. It's at it's best when the character still retains their personality or is used for a longer plotline.
It mostly becomes annoying to me if the mind controlled character knows they did some messed up stuff, but goes on just fine. Or if some characters are still forgiving and trusting of the controlled person after the whole event. This of course can't be applied to every story, but sometimes in semi-serious ones I'm surprised at how easily it gets brushed off. Plenty of people would be fucked up after being used as someone elses puppet.

Sounds a bit like Mindf*ck from Empowered. You should check that out if you haven't. A superhero telepath uses self brain editing to become a better person and forcefully save other people.

it's just a roundabout way of showcasing normal social relationships, just without the truth of treating people (women) like shit to get their loyalty

It's hard, if not impossible, to disconnect the eroticism from hypnosis. May as well just try to make it a little classy if you don't want to look blatantly crude.

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Wasnt there that Avatar porn game that let you do the mindwashing in book 3? Good times.

Perhaps it’s better to associate it with sleep and peace than arousal

Did someone say mind control?

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Yes, and several fanfics

I hope this thread is still here tomorrow